Well, the MVP was named, and it's a total joke: Peyton Manning, once again

[ScottieC]

You would have a point if he had bad numbers for a 3-time MVP in the regular season. This is a MVP thread jacko.

Brady is a choker too, so you're putting down your guy also if choker is to be taken as an insult. Not only that he lost to Denver, Indy with a choker QB which makes it worst, and the NY Giants. Peyton's worst numbers came in snow games which pats fans admit affects passing teams. So you have no argument.

In regards to Choking and that comment only:

Any idea's from a Colts fan, why the NFL Network's list of Top 10 Clutch QB's of all time, Tom Brady was # 2 and Peyton was not on the list?

 

[Kontradiction]

Why don't you answer the point he made. Why are pats fans allowed to make excuses like those?

Maybe because it's our forum? I mean, unless you can honestly see any text anywhere on the forum that says coltsfans.com/messageboard. Now, since you're the guest, why don't you answer his question? Or is the pot going to continue to call the kettle black.

 

[ScottieC]

Why don't you answer the point he made. Why are pats fans allowed to make excuses like those?

Exactly, you answered the question. Thanks.

BTW - "Why don't you answer the point he made" - Huh? How do you do that? How do I "answer" a "Point he made"?

 

[PatsFan24]

And, AGAIN, I pointed out to you that it was Manning, not the Colts defenses, that cost the Colts their playoff losses in those seasons. In 2004, the more egregious year, Peyton, mighty Peyton, managed just a field goal. That has nothing to do with the Colts defense.

Manning is 7-7 in the playoffs. That's not because of his defense.

he is still trying to blame the colts D for manning and the offense getting shut out by the jets in the playoffs, scoring 3 against new england, and getting picked off 4 times in the afccg. HA!

 

[Deus Irae]

I was showing how their arguments aren't consistent not using a jedi mind trick you bozo. Cause i said i can use those arguments against them, doesn't mean that's what i set out to do in my post genius.

The fact that Manning has won and played well in bad weather games defeats your assumption based argument that Manning has never won or played well in bad weather mr. philosophy. The fact that some of his bad playoff games has been in the playoffs with bad weather it doesn't logically follow that Manning cannot play in bad weather or that he cannot play well in playoff bad weathered games. Again come back with arguments not based on faulty assumptions.

Forget the fact that Brady was the king of the dink and dunk offense before the '07 season. Any one can throw down field when they got Moss who can out jump most corners, add to the fact he's already tall as hell. Brady never had a big strike offense, the Colts do and weather affected some pases if you look at the film in some of peytons games at foxboro. Holding receivers was a big part of the pats defense in '03 as well which makes it that much harder for a QB.

No matter how many times you make incorrect claims, they'll still be incorrect. You seem to be missing that.

 

[ScottieC]

Maybe because it's our forum? I mean, unless you can honestly see any text anywhere on the forum that says coltsfans.com/messageboard. Now, since you're the guest, why don't you answer his question? Or is the pot going to continue to call the kettle black.

Not to mention, there was no question to answer - So I got no clue what he's talking about.

BTW - Happy New Year, Kontra.

 

[Deus Irae]

he is still trying to blame the colts D for manning and the offense getting shut out by the jets in the playoffs, scoring 3 against new england, and getting picked off 4 times in the afccg. HA!

Well, he's a typical Colts fan who would rather look like a complete idiot than just admit the obvious truth about the fivehead. I understand where they are coming from, I just think it's a shame that they can't figure out that, for most of his career, Manning has been essentially the Marty Shottenheimer of quarterbacks, as Marino was before him.

 

[Ian]

I AM DUNGY is no longer with us :banned:

 

[PatsFan24]

you know he only won it this year cuz brady was hurt, brady would prob have had even better numbers this season than he did a year ago now that he has more time with this group of WRs

 

[Deus Irae]

I AM DUNGY is no longer with us :banned:

Does this mean we should be nice to Bluecoats?

 

[ScottieC]

Does this mean we should be nice to Bluecoats?

In all fairness, he went all Spygate on us - what did he expect?

 

[ScottieC]

so you're admitting you can be logically inconsistent on this forum?

I mean can i bring up our o-line in the Steelers game or the weather vs the jets and pats in the playoffs without it being called an excuse?

Yet you guys can blame the o-line in the superbowl and the flu in the afccg and it's okay. Not fair at all.

Crap, I'm losing track now, I thought we were on Brady and Manning?

 

[Deus Irae]

Your sig is so ironic. I got the opposite treatment from what your sig states from you and other pats fans.

I suggest you go back and read my posts in comparison to yours. You've been asking for trouble throughout this thread and I stuck mostly to the factual data, albeit with a few digs at the fivehead. It's not my fault that Manning comes up small in the playoffs and couldn't beat Florida in college.

The reason I asked Ian the question is because you've been changing your arguments and bringing up spygate. That's usually when people stop being nice to the trolls. If you don't want to be treated like a troll, stop acting like one.

 

[Deus Irae]

So calling me incorrect without pointing out or specifying what i said in that post that was incorrect means that i am incorrect?

That's like me calling you stupid and thinking cause i call you that means you are. I have to point out reasons as to why you are stupid, not simply state it.

We've corrected your arguments multiple times and you've kept repeating them. What exactly should I repeat at this point?

 

[Deus Irae]

Look at how you responded to me on page two Deus Irae.






See how you make excuses for when the pats lose but if they won brady would be god incarnate?

More importantly you spun my argument when i was talking about brady with the colts defense in those specific years not even making the playoffs if he had the colts defense. Instead of answering my point you went on a manning attack, when peyton in the post season wasn't even my point in the post.

Whoa, there slick. Pointing out that the Patriots were crushing the Colts prior to the defense getting sick is not making an excuse, particularly because I wasn't defending the Patriots at the time.

To use your line of thinking, If you and I are playing one-on-one basketball and I'm killing you 20-2 before I break my hand and can't shoot anymore, so you are able to come back and win, you should be credited with greatness for that comeback.

I'm sorry, but that's just nonsense. The Patriots were undermanned to the point that Eric Alexander had to play for Tedy Bruschi and Manning was able to make him his personal *****. You don't think it's a valid argument to point to the state of the Patriots defense in that second half when Eric Alexander ended up leading the team in tackles with 10, which was 4 more than the nearest player when he only had 14 tackles total all season? You're even further in Manning's pocket than I thought.

As for the other part of your "argument", it's not my fault that you phrased it poorly and then later phrased it in such a way as to make an assertion which can never be proved nor disproved. Hell, you even had to alter the claim later to state that Brady couldn't have taken those defenses to the playoffs, which is something you must surely know you can't prove.

 

[Double G]

"In regards to Choking and that comment only:

Any idea's from a Colts fan, why the NFL Network's list of Top 10 Clutch QB's of all time, Tom Brady was # 2 and Peyton was not on the list?"

Ouch, that's gonna leave a mark.

Can't wait for "I am dungheap" to retort with "LOOK, the playoffs do not matter, ok whiney Pats fans, MVP is based on regular season games ONLY!!"

It's staggering to me how Colts fans hold onto Peytons regular season awards like grim death, yet choose to gloss over his ability to gag away chance after chance at Super Bowl trophies; you know, the only effin thing that really matters, just ask Dan "0 for his career" Marino.

Congrats; three MVP's to one, BUT, one Super Bowl win to three.

How proud all of you must be.

 

[Deus Irae]

It's funny how when you go back through the thread i was the one getting his argument misrepresented.




I'm talking about the pats not making the playoffs if they had the colts defense in those seasons, not post season playoff losses Deus Irae.

Because you were changing the discussion and I wasn't allowing it.

 

[Kontradiction]

But the pats still had God playing for them at QB. You know the guy who doesn't lose post season games even if he has a pee wee team playing defense for him. Btw, the Pats D weren't crushing the Colts O. I saw the AFCCG plenty of times since that game i got it on my PC right now, the pats CB's tipped the ball at the last second on some pretty deep throws which would have been TD's if not for the tips. The pick 6 was huge but it wasn't no crushing effort by the pats defense.

Earlier that season we moved the ball on you guys at your place so don't make excuses.

And that's exactly the point. You keep gushing over the regular season performances like you just did in this post. Yet, in the post season, you could not move the ball as well as you did against us and lost. Just ask a Pats fan how much regular season performances and going 16-0 in the season matters. Their answer to you is that the 16-0 banner that hangs at The Razor should be ripped down.

 

[MVPKiller]

What a joke... This belonged to Rivers, I can't stand either of them, but Rivers is taking an 8-8 team to the Super Bowl and that has to count for something.

 

[Deus Irae]

But the pats still had God playing for them at QB. You know the guy who doesn't lose post season games even if he has a pee wee team playing defense for him. Btw, the Pats D weren't crushing the Colts O. I saw the AFCCG plenty of times since that game i got it on my PC right now, the pats CB's tipped the ball at the last second on some pretty deep throws which would have been TD's if not for the tips. The pick 6 was huge but it wasn't no crushing effort by the pats defense.

Earlier that season we moved the ball on you guys at your place so don't make excuses.

"God playing" has nothing to do with my point, as you full well know. Look, you can either actually use reason and logic, or I can just ignore you, whichever you prefer. It was 21-6 at the half. It took a slew of injuries/illnesses, and a pass interference call that was blatantly wrong for Manning to win the game. That game was, for all intents and purposes, the Super Bowl for that season. What happened earlier in the season has nothing to do with it, since the point is Manning's propensity to gag in the playoffs.

Seriously, have you looked at Manning's passer ratings in playoff games? Brady's worst is 57.6 (in a win), while Manning's had 3 games where his rating was in the 30's, and 2 of those were in losses.