Welker 3/06 rumor of the day: Will go to Free Agency

[JackBauer]

Edelman and AH and cheaper FA or draft choice could carry the load and have money left to spare.

If the Pats want high end, then there is always Cruz who I would pay more than Welker on a 5 year deal in a heartbeat.

1.) Not to mention having the bonus of saddling us with one of the worst WR corps in the NFL. Sounds like great fun!

Assuming Lloyd is cut, which seems likely at this point, you've got a starting tandem of:

a.) Edelman
b.) Draftee/FA

Ready? Set? Terrible.

2.) Welker is better than Cruz.

 

[Deus Irae]

Not necessarily. Edelman could provide 70% of what welker did. The offense may take a hit but if they can use the savings in good defensive players they would be better off. Problem is everyone is acting like welker is the number 1 priority, but vollmer and talib are more important imo.

Edelman's been in the league for 4 years. He's got a grand total of 69 receptions. Blithely claiming that he can replace 70% of Welker's production is wild speculation, at best.

As for Vollmer being more important than Welker, that's just insane talk.

 

[DefenseRules]

Patriots should have signed Welker a long time ago. He outplayed his contract years ago. They are getting what they deserve, and if they lose Welker because of their stupidity, so be it. They still have not learned from their mistakes. Brady reconstructed that contract for nothing. What a disgrace. So sick of Kraft's cheapness. PAY THE MAN. He's worth it.
No one is capable of replacing Welker's production and toughness in my opinion. NO ONE.

 

[bagwell368]

1.) Not to mention having the bonus of saddling us with one of the worst WR corps in the NFL. Sounds like great fun!

How did you arrive at that off of possible choices at the slot?

Assuming Lloyd is cut, which seems likely at this point, you've got a starting tandem of:

a.) Edelman
b.) Draftee/FA

Ready? Set? Terrible.

Again, I'm talking about the slot. Do try and learn to read before you attempt to answer any more of my posts.

2.) Welker is better than Cruz.

Over the pats six years - no doubt. Sadly for you and Welker, those six years are gone and going forward Welker will be a fraction of Cruz in particular if the Patriots move on from Welker.

 

[Miguel]

Brady makes him good. Not the other way around.

There have been dozens of wide receivers on the Patriots since 2000.

How many of them has Brady made into good receivers?
Why has not Brady made all of them into good receivers?

 

[bagwell368]

Patriots should have signed Welker a long time ago. He outplayed his contract years ago. They are getting what they deserve, and if they lose Welker because of their stupidity, so be it. They still have not learned from their mistakes. Brady reconstructed that contract for nothing. What a disgrace. So sick of Kraft's cheapness. PAY THE MAN. He's worth it.
No one is capable of replacing Welker's production and toughness in my opinion. NO ONE.

What mistakes? Greg Spires? Not a major faux pas. Samuel? Two very good years after he left (not as good as his last year here), and than crap, his contract became a hot potato long before it was near done. Seymour? Say goodbye to overpaying for a player in his decline for a great LT of the next 10 years.

Too many injuries in the NFL to pay on the past. So sorry.

 

[bagwell368]

There have been dozens of wide receivers on the Patriots since 2000.

How many of them has Brady made into good receivers?
Why has not Brady made all of them into good receivers?

Try the question backwards. How many have left here with contracts and done WORSE?

 

[Miguel]

If the Pats want high end, then there is always Cruz who I would pay more than Welker on a 5 year deal in a heartbeat.

Are you also willing to give up a 2013 first round pick to sign Cruz?What would be the structure of the Cruz deal that Giants would not match?

 

[naF staP]

Patriots should have signed Welker a long time ago. He outplayed his contract years ago. They are getting what they deserve, and if they lose Welker because of their stupidity, so be it. They still have not learned from their mistakes. Brady reconstructed that contract for nothing. What a disgrace. So sick of Kraft's cheapness. PAY THE MAN. He's worth it.
No one is capable of replacing Welker's production and toughness in my opinion. NO ONE.

I totally agree with you here. Most teams would have redone Welkers contract the last year or two to reward him for totally outplaying his contract, but they didn't. Well, most people, probably Welker included thought ok, they will probably reward him with a nice, fair contract when his old one expires, especially since his production never went down and he was still a huge key to the offense. Well that didn't happen, instead they (reported) wanted to give him a mild contract for 2 years. What a disgrace! Glad he made a big payday last season, he needs a solid multi year deal now, and the Patriots better believe they need Welker in this offense, not Amendola (lol), not Edelman (lmao). They need to step up and pay a fair price for a few years and keep Welker a Patriot.

I'm tired of the Patriots low balling players just to stay and play for a very good team. Well sorry to say, the Pats haven't won a SB in a while and there are a lot of top teams out there that will pay good money. Let the Patriot ego go and sign Welker now!! They want to save a couple of million $ to risk a important piece of the offense puzzle, thats insulting to me as a fan.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Edelman's been in the league for 4 years. He's got a grand total of 69 receptions. Blithely claiming that he can replace 70% of Welker's production is wild speculation, at best.

As for Vollmer being more important than Welker, that's just insane talk.

That's why tackles have traditionally been drafted ahead of WR's and TE's right? :bricks:

Given Brady's age and probable decrease in mobility the OT's are infinitely more valuable than Welker. if Welker goes to another team that does not draw up plays specifically to get him open the Patriots caution at over spending will have been justified. Players who can get open on their own are the ones who deserve the large $$$ and that is not Welker.

Seriously how is it that you are so much more knowledgeable than NFL experts?

 

[bagwell368]

Julian Edelman's career high in receiving yards is 359...in 2009

So you expect us to believe he can be relied upon to essentially triple that total, despite his inability to be consistent or stay healthy up to this point?

What could possibly go wrong??

For one thing, Edelman is a much better blocker then Welker, so he'd be doing more of that, and less receiving. Also if AH or others is used in the slot, Edelman would be used less. Would you Welkerites ignore those details so you could conclude the move was a failure? I'm quite sure of it.

If the Pats put money into a Cruz, Jennings or takes a stab at Alexander or drafts say Hunter, that will also change the load going to the slot.

Way too much sentiment in this thread. You sure you guys understand the way BB operates?

 

[Deus Irae]

That's why tackles have traditionally been drafted ahead of WR's and TE's right? :bricks:

Given Brady's age and probable decrease in mobility the OT's are infinitely more valuable than Welker. if Welker goes to another team that does not draw up plays specifically to get him open the Patriots caution at over spending will have been justified. Players who can get open on their own are the ones who deserve the large $$$ and that is not Welker.

Seriously how is it that you are so much more knowledgeable than NFL experts?

Vollmer's a right tackle. Right tackles are [highlight]not[/highlight] traditionally drafted ahead of WRs. You're talking nonsense, again, and you've got to know it, so I assume you're just trolling. Have a nice day.

 

[bagwell368]

That's why tackles have traditionally been drafted ahead of WR's and TE's right?

LT's perhaps, RT's are a whole other story.

Given Brady's age and probable decrease in mobility the OT's are infinitely more valuable than Welker.

Infinite? No. Not infinite. Arguable depending on circumstances. Also Scar has a way of making steak out of hamburger, which doesn't seem possible at WR.

 

[Froob]

That's why tackles have traditionally been drafted ahead of WR's and TE's right? :bricks:

Given Brady's age and probable decrease in mobility the OT's are infinitely more valuable than Welker. if Welker goes to another team that does not draw up plays specifically to get him open the Patriots caution at over spending will have been justified. Players who can get open on their own are the ones who deserve the large $$$ and that is not Welker.

Seriously how is it that you are so much more knowledgeable than NFL experts?

I disagree, this team has shown to be poor with developing receivers while being excellent(best in the league I'd say) at developing linemen. Welker will be a pro bowler on most teams. Vollmer is a good player but he has injury concerns. I think somebody will pay him more money to play LT. If they do, good luck to him seems like a nice guy.

 

[BradyManny]

There have been dozens of wide receivers on the Patriots since 2000.

How many of them has Brady made into good receivers?
Why has not Brady made all of them into good receivers?

There is zero credence to the argument to Welker being a product of Brady. He excelled with Cassel, and he was productive with Miami - productive enough for Belichick to see he would thrive here.

No one gets open like Wes Welker, and anyone who says he won't be productive elsewhere is nuts.

That said, if your point is that Brady isn't making receivers better, I have to disagree there. Name me a receiver who has gone on to have more success outside of New England than in. Gaffney is maybe the only one, and that's in large part to him rescuing his career as a Patriot.

Branch, Patten, Givens, Caldwell. Heck, we get a minute from a Super Bowl with Reche as our top receiver and he only starts one more game in the rest of his NFL career. Sam Aiken had 330 yards in our offense and never plays receiver again in his life. Doug Gabriel was out of the league soon after the Pats moved on, Chad Jackson too. Bethel never did anything. Ocho and Galloway were busts, but they were obviously toast, too, both soon out of the league themselves.

The guys who have failed in the Patriots system haven't done jack elsewhere. They either sucked or were out of gas.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Vollmer's a right tackle. Right tackles are [highlight]not[/highlight] traditionally drafted ahead of WRs. You're talking nonsense, again, and you've got to know it, so I assume you're just trolling. Have a nice day.

We took Vollmer in the second just like Jackson, Johnson, and Branch so in our case we did draft our Right tackle at the same level as our drafted WRs

 

[bagwell368]

BTW what's all this Edelman vs Welker stuff?

Welker at 5 years for $40M with $17.5M guaranteed

vs

Edelman at 3 years for $5.25M with $3M guaranteed


Since BB thinks in dollars & output - the equation could essentially be:

Edelman+Vollmer vs Welker
or
Edelman+Jennings vs Welker (and ~$1.5M worth of some other player)



Fact is, this isn't cut and dried and there is a large chance that Welker is not a slam dunk to be here with some sentimental sweet kind contract that magically makes up for what a meanie BB has been to Welker. Really - what is this? Pre school for the politically correct?

Screw that. Just win baby.

 

[JackBauer]

How did you arrive at that off of possible choices at the slot?

Again, I'm talking about the slot. Do try and learn to read before you attempt to answer any more of my posts.

Doesn't matter if you're talking about the slot -- it's still a lousy point you're making. And if you want people to interpret your posts correctly, maybe you should attempt to express yourself more clearly.

Over the pats six years - no doubt. Sadly for you and Welker, those six years are gone and going forward Welker will be a fraction of Cruz in particular if the Patriots move on from Welker.

Sadly for me? I don't have a dog in this fight; I only respond when I see crappy arguments being made. And there's little to suggest Cruz will be better than Welker in the next two years.

 

[bagwell368]

We took Vollmer in the second just like Jackson, Johnson, and Branch so in our case we did draft our Right tackle at the same level as our drafted WRs

And if our LT failed, Vollmer would be likely be our LT now. The fact that Vollmer played LT well in the past means that there might be one or two teams willing to pay him as a LT (IE a good deal more than a RT would get).

Vollmer is a good counter case, but LT's or T's that are projected as LT's get drafted high and paid well if they succeed. A lot of G's in the pros played LT in college. It's the premium position on the line.

Plus don't forget - Eddie Munster (AKA Kiper) said the Pats reached for him, and could have had him in the 5th... and as we all know Kiper is King... :laugh:

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Not necessarily. Edelman could provide 70% of what welker did.

HAHAHAA good one