SITE MENU
Registered Members experience this forum ad and noise-free.
CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Another thing comes into play when you have a high octane offense.
If the Patriots get a big lead in the second half and go into a "prevent" defense, it isn't going to matter whether it is 3-4, 4-3, 1-gap or 2-gap. It won't be aggressive.
Another thing comes into play when you have a high octane offense.
If the Patriots get a big lead in the second half and go into a "prevent" defense, it isn't going to matter whether it is 3-4, 4-3, 1-gap or 2-gap. It won't be aggressive.
All the prevent actually prevents is winning.
All the prevent actually prevents is winning.
BB has always employed 2 gap in both the 34 and 43Agreed - 2-gap vs 1 gap is a bigger change. I generally don't think of 4-3 and 2 gap going together. Am I wrong about that?
Also, is 2gap really less aggressive or does it just change who has the responsibility to get upfield in the pass rush?
Prevent defense works all the time. It worked in quite a few games for us last year when we built a lead and forced the other team to use too much clock to score to be able to score enough. Cincy and Pitt comes to mind.No. When has the "prevent" defense ever actually worked? Why not still stay aggressive and get the ball back for the offense to grind out the clock? I'm done seeing 14+ point leads disappear because of the "prevent" defense. I'm sick of it.
You really need to slow down and read posts and absorb the context of them.Didn't we discuss this the other day? It's not the same 7 players aligned differently.
They have replaced a 300+ pound 3-4 lineman with a 260 pound DE. You have one less guy on the field whose advantage is eating space and not being easily dominated by an o lineman. You have one more guy on the field whose advantage is in getting around an o lineman rather than engaging him.
Whether you expect to see this in Sept is another issue. But right now, everything in two preseason games and public practices has been not only a change in formation, but a change in personnel on the field also.
2 gap technique requires a DL to control the los and be able to make plays on runs to either side of the player he is being blocked by.Agreed - 2-gap vs 1 gap is a bigger change. I generally don't think of 4-3 and 2 gap going together. Am I wrong about that?
Also, is 2gap really less aggressive or does it just change who has the responsibility to get upfield in the pass rush?
Prevent defense works all the time. It worked in quite a few games for us last year when we built a lead and forced the other team to use too much clock to score to be able to score enough. Cincy and Pitt comes to mind.
Prevent defense isn't designed to not allow points its allowed to not allow big plays and force the team to take up so much time that they can't get enough scores. If you are up 4 scores and allow 2 long TD drives in prevent that use up all the clock, the prevent worked to perfection.
When did it ever cost us a game?4 scores is the extreme example. We saw plenty of 'prevent' in 14-21 point leads, and we also watched the defense break down enough to allow 14-21 points in as quickly as 6 minutes in some cases. Why not do the best to keep the ball in the OFFENSE hands and keep our defense off the field?
Giving the QB time will always lead to more big-plays than the occasional breakdown/beat with an aggressive play.
And by the way, all this aside, the Patriots have never been that big of a prevent defense team.4 scores is the extreme example. We saw plenty of 'prevent' in 14-21 point leads, and we also watched the defense break down enough to allow 14-21 points in as quickly as 6 minutes in some cases. Why not do the best to keep the ball in the OFFENSE hands and keep our defense off the field?
Giving the QB time will always lead to more big-plays than the occasional breakdown/beat with an aggressive play.
4 scores is the extreme example. We saw plenty of 'prevent' in 14-21 point leads, and we also watched the defense break down enough to allow 14-21 points in as quickly as 6 minutes in some cases. Why not do the best to keep the ball in the OFFENSE hands and keep our defense off the field?
Giving the QB time will always lead to more big-plays than the occasional breakdown/beat with an aggressive play.
You really need to slow down and read posts and absorb the context of them.
I haven't changed anything.You really need to stop downplaying the fact that they're doing something completely different this year.
Your argument over the last few weeks has morphed from "they're not playing 4-3 base" to "they're lined up in 4-3, but still playing two gap" to "they're lined up in 4-3 and playing one gap, but it's just the same 7 guys in different spots.". Still not correct.
Why are you having so much trouble coming to terms with the fact that the defense is drastically different so far this year?
The team was winning 18 games with a read and react defense. You're confusing the current lack of talent in the 3-4 with alleged problems of the 2 gapping 3-4. Today's game has more need for getting to the QB on passing downs, and lately Belichick had been doing a piss poor job of bringing in players who could do that out of the 3-4. The result is a bunch of 4-3 pass rushers and a change in how the team will attack the QB.
We were winning on the strength of our offense outscoring other teams. We broke the record for most points scored in a season and our QB threw for 50 TDs. I think that was the reason why we won 18 games in 07.
And while your argument of lack of talent has some validity, I think it's more the emphasis of the 5 yard bump rule that have hampered the way Belichick's defenses used to play. Belichick's DBs used to mug other receivers. That makes a huge difference in the amount of time the QB has to throw to someone. It also makes a huge difference in how much cushion DBs can give to receivers. If you can put your hands on recievers well after 5 yards, you're going to be more aggressive.
Donaldson may not be the best writer in the world but this recent piece regarding preseason vs. reality was simply a PERFECT synopsis
Jim Donaldson: Good start, but true measure of Patriots ability comes in January | Jim Donaldson | projo.com | The Providence Journal