Tyquan Thornton thanks us for all the hate and doubt

[rkarp1]

Well, QBs have magic powers. The very good ones do.

You know what is silly ? Hiding behind the generic cliché that 'this is a team game'. Of course it is. But then again, you have 32 teams with all the same number of players, spending roughly the same on player salaries, and most times than not, teams without a very good QB don't amount to anything. There are exceptions, like the 2000 Ravens, but they needed an historically good defense to offset their bad to mediocre QB play that season.

I thought Pats fans would know that by now, but I guess not. Belichick record with and without Brady is not proof enough I guess. Belichick is a coaching genius, but without an elite QB, he managed 1 playoff win over 10 seasons. As great a strategist Belichick is, he couldn't do anything special without elite QB play, and that 10 year period make him look more like Marty Schottenheimer than the greatest coach in NFL history.

What is even more silly, is that while you can't appreciate the value of having an elite QB, you sure hated Mac Jones for his shortcomings. You even pinned the playoff loss on him, even though scoring TDs on all their possessions wouldn't have been enough to win that game....team game, right?

not only could Bill not win with out Brady, he couldn't win with out McD

 

[Wozzy]

LOL! That isn't remotely what I said. Brady didn't make every WR productive. Some were lost causes. And Harry was late in his career after Brady lost that ability. Thornton has a lot of speed. Mahomes is a great deep ball thrower and a generational talent. He was able to make Thornton look ok.

But you see what Mahomes and the Chiefs really think of Thornton. Now that Worthy and Rice are back, Thornton is almost completely phased out of the offense. I said his ceiling was 2007 Donte Stallworth. He isn't even that right now.

Thornton was considered a bust, a lost cause… it was the team he was on. The inability to block to open up those deep shots down the field… along with Mac Jones weak arm and inability to make those throws.

Or what I have said about Thornton for years… he wasn’t a C level WR that Mahomes made better, he was an outright bust according to many here. Thornton isn’t playing much now because in most programs starters don’t lose their jobs to injury and Reid is old school.

 

[h0c2000]

Tyquan Thornton is still a bust.

 

[203Pat]

Thornton was considered a bust, a lost cause… it was the team he was on. The inability to block to open up those deep shots down the field… along with Mac Jones weak arm and inability to make those throws.

Or what I have said about Thornton for years… he wasn’t a C level WR that Mahomes made better, he was an outright bust according to many here. Thornton isn’t playing much now because in most programs starters don’t lose their jobs to injury and Reid is old school.

Lol yes. That is why. Thornton is actually a better player than Rashee Rice and Xavier Worthy but Reid is just showing loyalty!

 

[Wozzy]

Well, QBs have magic powers. The very good ones do.

You know what is silly ? Hiding behind the generic cliché that 'this is a team game'. Of course it is. But then again, you have 32 teams with all the same number of players, spending roughly the same on player salaries, and most times than not, teams without a very good QB don't amount to anything. There are exceptions, like the 2000 Ravens, but they needed an historically good defense to offset their bad to mediocre QB play that season.

I thought Pats fans would know that by now, but I guess not. Belichick record with and without Brady is not proof enough I guess. Belichick is a coaching genius, but without an elite QB, he managed 1 playoff win over 10 seasons. As great a strategist Belichick is, he couldn't do anything special without elite QB play, and that 10 year period make him look more like Marty Schottenheimer than the greatest coach in NFL history.

What is even more silly, is that while you can't appreciate the value of having an elite QB, you sure hated Mac Jones for his shortcomings. You even pinned the playoff loss on him, even though scoring TDs on all their possessions wouldn't have been enough to win that game....team game, right?

Drake Maye last year versus this year… what changed more, him or his team. Answer: his team.

Mahomes looked like crap when his offensive line was an injury mess, he didn’t put up numbers when he had no weapons… people who make lists literally moved him down them from his #1 spot. Now his line can block and his weapons are back healthy and it’s Mahomes has magic powers all over again.

No, QB’s don’t have magic powers… assuming health the vets remain the same… only the teams around them change. Thornton went to a team that could block and that had a QB with an arm… that’s all.

 

[Wozzy]

Lol yes. That is why. Thornton is actually a better player than Rashee Rice and Xavier Worthy but Reid is just showing loyalty!

“Better” is subjective. Rice is a better possession receiver, Thornton is a better deep threat. There’s a tool for every job.

 

[Wozzy]

When it suits Woozy it is a team game and collaboration was forced upon Bill. When it doesn't he just posts something vague and claims he won.

I’ve been telling people “it’s a team game” since Al Gore invented the interwebs back on boston.com in the 90’s… and have never deviated.

I just don’t ascribe magical powers to QB’s or anyone else like a 12 year old.

 

[Rob0729]

Thornton was considered a bust, a lost cause… it was the team he was on. The inability to block to open up those deep shots down the field… along with Mac Jones weak arm and inability to make those throws.

Or what I have said about Thornton for years… he wasn’t a C level WR that Mahomes made better, he was an outright bust according to many here. Thornton isn’t playing much now because in most programs starters don’t lose their jobs to injury and Reid is old school.

Thornton is exactly what I thought he was. A # 4-5 WR on a team. He was not worth keeping here. He is a classic definition of a JAG.

His biggest problem here was he was not developed right and the system sucked.

He does benefit from Mahomes who is a great deep ball passer, mobile to extend plays, and an elite QB. He is still a JAG even on the Chiefs. He isn't starting because he is a 50-50 ball WR. Not that he catches 50-50 balls. That when you throw to him, it is 50-50 he catches the ball. That is why he is fifth WR in KC after Rice, Worthy, Hollywood Brown, and JuJu.

 

[Rob0729]

“Better” is subjective. Rice is a better possession receiver, Thornton is a better deep threat. There’s a tool for every job.

Thornton backs up Worthy, not Rice. JuJu backs up Rice.

 

[Wozzy]

Thornton is exactly what I thought he was. A # 4-5 WR on a team. He was not worth keeping here. He is a classic definition of a JAG.

His biggest problem here was he was not developed right and the system sucked.

He does benefit from Mahomes who is a great deep ball passer, mobile to extend plays, and an elite QB. He is still a JAG even on the Chiefs. He isn't starting because he is a 50-50 ball WR. Not that he catches 50-50 balls. That when you throw to him, it is 50-50 he catches the ball. That is why he is fifth WR in KC after Rice, Worthy, Hollywood Brown, and JuJu.

I don’t keep a list of the people who called him a bust… we just all know many did.

He’s not a 50/50 receiver, he’s a deep threat. Deep passes have a lower chance of success.

I’d love to pair him with Drake Maye now that they can block. Call him a jag or whatever you want, he could play that David Patten role for us.

 

[Rob0729]

I don’t keep a list of the people who called him a bust… we just all know many did.

He’s not a 50/50 receiver, he’s a deep threat. Deep passes have a lower chance of success.

I’d love to pair him with Drake Maye now that they can block. Call him a jag or whatever you want, he could play that David Patten role for us.

You missed my whole point of 50-50 receiver.

And if he was able to be a consistent productive player, he would be targeted more by the Chiefs. Either that or he would be talked about as a trade target by other teams like Jokobi or Shaheed are being talking about. The Chiefs need a RB and other positions. If Thornton was a valuable asset that wasn't being used, they would be dangling him. But he is a JAG.

 

[sb1]

Bottom line is Bill drafted a JAG at best receiver in the second round. Who also couldn't stay healthy. Yikes

Terrible pick but at least that's not our problem anymore.

 

[sb1]

not only could Bill not win with out Brady, he couldn't win with out McD

Or Weis.

 

[rochrist]

Thornton is exactly what I thought he was. A # 4-5 WR on a team. He was not worth keeping here. He is a classic definition of a JAG.

His biggest problem here was he was not developed right and the system sucked.

He does benefit from Mahomes who is a great deep ball passer, mobile to extend plays, and an elite QB. He is still a JAG even on the Chiefs. He isn't starting because he is a 50-50 ball WR. Not that he catches 50-50 balls. That when you throw to him, it is 50-50 he catches the ball. That is why he is fifth WR in KC after Rice, Worthy, Hollywood Brown, and JuJu.

He IS averaging 22.5 yards a catch.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I don’t keep a list of the people who called him a bust… we just all know many did.

He’s not a 50/50 receiver, he’s a deep threat. Deep passes have a lower chance of success.

I’d love to pair him with Drake Maye now that they can block. Call him a jag or whatever you want, he could play that David Patten role for us.

Sooooo, if you have room for just a "deep threat" as defined by a guy who gets separation then can't be trusted to catch the ball, he's aces.

I did not call him a bust and raved about his speed and loved him like he was my own extremely fast offspring, but eventually the operative root of the job title "receiver" has to come into play. The permissible modifiers are things like "wide receiver" and "slot receiver," not "occasional receiver." You can't be regularly defeated by the air.

 

[RDS11]

Drake Maye last year versus this year… what changed more, him or his team. Answer: his team.

Mahomes looked like crap when his offensive line was an injury mess, he didn’t put up numbers when he had no weapons… people who make lists literally moved him down them from his #1 spot. Now his line can block and his weapons are back healthy and it’s Mahomes has magic powers all over again.

No, QB’s don’t have magic powers… assuming health the vets remain the same… only the teams around them change. Thornton went to a team that could block and that had a QB with an arm… that’s all.

You are oversimplyfing a very complex formula.

QBs stats/performances are very well impacted by the players around them. Nobody is challenging that. Put Mahomes on that current UNC team, along with an all-star coaching staff from the Pats dynasty, they still wouldn't beat any NFL team.

But that's not something you will see in the NFL. It's a pleonasm, but all NFL teams have NFL-level players. And because of the salary cap, the discrepency in talent level from one team to another is not that wide. No team is perfect, no team can field an all-pro at every position, thus all teams have distinct strengths and weaknesses. True, some teams have more weaknesses than others, doesn't mean they are at the JV level. Given the relatively narrow gap in talent from one roster to the next, QB is the one position for which the really great players can provide the most impact on the outcome of a game.

Regardless of the situation around them, great QBs will outperform the expected mean result on most plays, if not all plays.That's true of all players, but the QB is the only one who touches the ball on every offensive play, thus have the most impact on the final outcome. Moreover, Belichick once said that Brady's greatest strenght was that he was able to get out of bad plays before they happened. So not only Brady was outperforming an average QB on every play, but he was able to enhance the coaching play calling with audibles when required.

Regarding Thornton, you are contradicting yourself....you said that Mahomes didn't put up numbers when he had no weapon...which was when he was throwing to Thornton. Everybody said ''wait until Rice and Worthy are back '' but you kept trolling early on about the number of catches and TDs Thornton scored each week. Now that Rice and Worthy are back, Thornton is once again an afterthought...he plays less snap that JuJu does. He is back to being the 5th WR, which isn't what was expected of him when he was drafted in the 2nd round. Again, not his fault someone drafted him that high, but his tweet (which started this whole topic) has not aged well. Especially since he wrote that at a time when the Chiefs were 0-2.

 

[Rob0729]

He IS averaging 22.5 yards a catch.

The guy has 14 receptions in 8 games. The average doesn’t mean much with so few receptions. There are 129 players in the league with more receptions including 23 RBs.

 

[Huckleberry1]

So Tom had magic powers, until a talented prospect failed entirely… then Tom’s powers mysteriously failed him. Got it.

Brady was great with marginal talent, that's undeniable. The caveat being that those average receivers needed to be able to run the right routes, those that couldn't failed, that's not Brady's fault.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Speaking of the Chefs, Simmons has now been absent for 18 days.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Maybe he got caught stealing... should ask Sam.