Tyquan Thornton thanks us for all the hate and doubt

[Wozzy]

i reception in the last 3 weeks.....5 total since this post came out?

He might finish the season with a ring on his finger, probably too early for a victory lap.

He’s already proven he can be an effective player… the argument was over weeks ago.

 

[rkarp1]

i reception in the last 3 weeks.....5 total since this post came out?

he is their 5th WR
for a $5, he is fine.
not sure in that offense, he can ever be more than that

 

[sb1]

Wouldn't surprise me if he's traded before the deadline. As always, selling high is the way to go. His value will never be higher.

 

[XLIX]

Tyquan with another goose egg.

Thats 1 catch in the last 3 games.

Yeah he ain’t said **** in about a month now about how much better a WR he is than anyone in NE.

 

[1960Pats]

Yeah he ain’t said **** in about a month now about how much better a WR he is than anyone in NE.

No matter what the cause was, the kid didn't play well here.
Him throwing crap at the team that drafted him is a bad look.

 

[Vindicate]

I feel like if Thornton is gonna be a 4/5, he should really spend time becoming a crispy route runner so he can be in RZ packages and just take advantage of quick mismatches. Being a speedster seems to be difficult the further down the chart you go.

 

[Rob0729]

He might finish the season with a ring on his finger, probably too early for a victory lap.

He’s already proven he can be an effective player… the argument was over weeks ago.

Thornton proved what Tom Brady proved for over two decades. An elite generational QB can elevate average or even mediocre receivers to be productive. Thornton is still nothing more than a 4-5 WR on a team. Mahomes made him effective enough while his top two receivers were out. Brady did that with Reche Caldwell in 2006.

Again, I am not sure that Thornton will still even be on the team come trade deadline. It is far more likely now since Rice is becoming a true #1 WR meaning it is unlikely that the Chiefs will trade for a WR. Before Rice came back, I would have given it a better than 50-50 chance.

If he was on the Patriots right now, he would be no higher than the #4 WR and possibly the #5. He isn't playing over Boutte, Diggs, or Pop. He may not even play over Hollins.

 

[Wozzy]

Thornton proved what Tom Brady proved for over two decades. An elite generational QB can elevate average or even mediocre receivers to be productive. Thornton is still nothing more than a 4-5 WR on a team. Mahomes made him effective enough while his top two receivers were out. Brady did that with Reche Caldwell in 2006.

Again, I am not sure that Thornton will still even be on the team come trade deadline. It is far more likely now since Rice is becoming a true #1 WR meaning it is unlikely that the Chiefs will trade for a WR. Before Rice came back, I would have given it a better than 50-50 chance.

If he was on the Patriots right now, he would be no higher than the #4 WR and possibly the #5. He isn't playing over Boutte, Diggs, or Pop. He may not even play over Hollins.

Yet Tom couldn’t turn N’Keal Harry or Chad Jackson into productive players… the “QB’s have magic powers” take is silly.

 

[Rob0729]

Yet Tom couldn’t turn N’Keal Harry or Chad Jackson into productive players… the “QB’s have magic powers” take is silly.

Chad Jackson was out of the league three years after he was drafted. Brady isn't an actual god who can turn a complete bust into a good player.

Harry came into the league in 2019. Brady was no longer the guy who could elevate non-talent receivers. Who knows if he could have made Harry productive in say 2014 when he was on the top of his game. He showed in Tampa he could be a top or elite QB with great talent around him, but I don't think he could with some of the mediocre receiving corps he elevated in the past.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Chad Jackson was out of the league three years after he was drafted. Brady isn't an actual god who can turn a complete bust into a good player.

Harry came into the league in 2019. Brady was no longer the guy who could elevate non-talent receivers. Who knows if he could have made Harry productive in say 2014 when he was on the top of his game. He showed in Tampa he could be a top or elite QB with great talent around him, but I don't think he could with some of the mediocre receiving corps he elevated in the past.

This is the year Chad Jackson breaks out, mark my words...

 

[Zuma]

Thornton catch percentage is higher this season then his career average.

 

[203Pat]

Thornton proved what Tom Brady proved for over two decades. An elite generational QB can elevate average or even mediocre receivers to be productive. Thornton is still nothing more than a 4-5 WR on a team. Mahomes made him effective enough while his top two receivers were out. Brady did that with Reche Caldwell in 2006.

Again, I am not sure that Thornton will still even be on the team come trade deadline. It is far more likely now since Rice is becoming a true #1 WR meaning it is unlikely that the Chiefs will trade for a WR. Before Rice came back, I would have given it a better than 50-50 chance.

If he was on the Patriots right now, he would be no higher than the #4 WR and possibly the #5. He isn't playing over Boutte, Diggs, or Pop. He may not even play over Hollins.

Yep. Brady for 20 years took C level players and turned them into B level players. The few times he was given someone with actual talent they became hall of famers/borderline hall of famers.

 

[Wozzy]

Chad Jackson was out of the league three years after he was drafted. Brady isn't an actual god who can turn a complete bust into a good player.

Harry came into the league in 2019. Brady was no longer the guy who could elevate non-talent receivers. Who knows if he could have made Harry productive in say 2014 when he was on the top of his game. He showed in Tampa he could be a top or elite QB with great talent around him, but I don't think he could with some of the mediocre receiving corps he elevated in the past.

So Tom had magic powers, until a talented prospect failed entirely… then Tom’s powers mysteriously failed him. Got it.

 

[Rob0729]

So Tom had magic powers, until a talented prospect failed entirely… then Tom’s powers mysteriously failed him. Got it.

LOL! That isn't remotely what I said. Brady didn't make every WR productive. Some were lost causes. And Harry was late in his career after Brady lost that ability. Thornton has a lot of speed. Mahomes is a great deep ball thrower and a generational talent. He was able to make Thornton look ok.

But you see what Mahomes and the Chiefs really think of Thornton. Now that Worthy and Rice are back, Thornton is almost completely phased out of the offense. I said his ceiling was 2007 Donte Stallworth. He isn't even that right now.

 

[Grogan14]

When a player gets drafted 1-2 rounds higher than expected based solely on a 40 time and due to injury and poor performance; and the guy picked after him makes big contributions in year
Its natural for fanbase to get very frustrated. What did he expect roses and wine and chocolate?

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Thornton catch percentage is higher this season then his career average.

And for the third straight year, exceeds random chance. Uncanny.

 

[Vindicate]

Thornton proved what Tom Brady proved for over two decades. An elite generational QB can elevate average or even mediocre receivers to be productive. Thornton is still nothing more than a 4-5 WR on a team. Mahomes made him effective enough while his top two receivers were out. Brady did that with Reche Caldwell in 2006.

Again, I am not sure that Thornton will still even be on the team come trade deadline. It is far more likely now since Rice is becoming a true #1 WR meaning it is unlikely that the Chiefs will trade for a WR. Before Rice came back, I would have given it a better than 50-50 chance.

If he was on the Patriots right now, he would be no higher than the #4 WR and possibly the #5. He isn't playing over Boutte, Diggs, or Pop. He may not even play over Hollins.

Remember how good Kenbrell Thompkins looked in a few games in 2013? Game winner with the Saints with no time?

Second question: have you thought of KT at all before being asked this question?

Lemme toss another one out: Tim Wright?

Point being - you can still score tuddy's in the NFL and have a couple hundred yards, yet not be an NFL caliber player, as both of them had been shipped team to team and fail to stay on rosters for more than a few months. Thompkins had multiple touchdowns, was one of the few receiving options we had in 2013, helped us win against the undefeated Saints, and was still cut by October the next year.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Thornton catch percentage is higher this season then his career average.

51.9% (14/27) vs 51.5% (39/77) is splitting hairs and within margin of error. Should be higher with Mahomes throwing to him.

 

[RDS11]

Yet Tom couldn’t turn N’Keal Harry or Chad Jackson into productive players… the “QB’s have magic powers” take is silly.

Well, QBs have magic powers. The very good ones do.

You know what is silly ? Hiding behind the generic cliché that 'this is a team game'. Of course it is. But then again, you have 32 teams with all the same number of players, spending roughly the same on player salaries, and most times than not, teams without a very good QB don't amount to anything. There are exceptions, like the 2000 Ravens, but they needed an historically good defense to offset their bad to mediocre QB play that season.

I thought Pats fans would know that by now, but I guess not. Belichick record with and without Brady is not proof enough I guess. Belichick is a coaching genius, but without an elite QB, he managed 1 playoff win over 10 seasons. As great a strategist Belichick is, he couldn't do anything special without elite QB play, and that 10 year period make him look more like Marty Schottenheimer than the greatest coach in NFL history.

What is even more silly, is that while you can't appreciate the value of having an elite QB, you sure hated Mac Jones for his shortcomings. You even pinned the playoff loss on him, even though scoring TDs on all their possessions wouldn't have been enough to win that game....team game, right?

 

[203Pat]

Well, QBs have magic powers. The very good ones do.

You know what is silly ? Hiding behind the generic cliché that 'this is a team game'. Of course it is. But then again, you have 32 teams with all the same number of players, spending roughly the same on player salaries, and most times than not, teams without a very good QB don't amount to anything. There are exceptions, like the 2000 Ravens, but they needed an historically good defense to offset their bad to mediocre QB play that season.

I thought Pats fans would know that by now, but I guess not. Belichick record with and without Brady is not proof enough I guess. Belichick is a coaching genius, but without an elite QB, he managed 1 playoff win over 10 seasons. As great a strategist Belichick is, he couldn't do anything special without elite QB play, and that 10 year period make him look more like Marty Schottenheimer than the greatest coach in NFL history.

What is even more silly, is that while you can't appreciate the value of having an elite QB, you sure hated Mac Jones for his shortcomings. You even pinned the playoff loss on him, even though scoring TDs on all their possessions wouldn't have been enough to win that game....team game, right?

When it suits Woozy it is a team game and collaboration was forced upon Bill. When it doesn't he just posts something vague and claims he won.