DRAFT DAY DISCUSSION The Official NFL Draft Day 2 thread

[Dr Pain]

The second round picks are graded at nfl.com, and it's instructive to see TAYvon's rating of 48. The picks before and after are in the 84 range.

They certainly aren't sold on this tremendous reach. Maybe the scouting dept. of the Patriots has unearthed a guy absolutely no one else could see.

Unlikely but possible.

This is the 48th player taken? A guy who the coaches in his own league don't award as even an honorary all big ten player, even though he had been a long-time starter? things aren't adding up here.

The arrogance of Belichick is really coming through.

He did not get invited to the combo so all the media types dropped him. He did have private workouts with the Pros and the Patriots picked where they felt he belonged. It seems others may have been interested as well. Too many people base their opinions on the media who are not professionals. Would you rather get your diagnosis from Web MD with this board as backup or go in and see the folks at Mass General.

 

[Patspsycho]

I think the Pats will ask him to do everything and then put him on the field if he does any of it better than other people. Which this year is unlikely.

At 275 lbs. for a DE he's a developmental pick if he's going to be either the next Rob Ninkovich or the next Mike Wright. I think it's likely he's more Ninkovich than Mike Wright.

I was leaning towards Wright- has the strength to be a bull-rusher. I think he could put on 10-20 more pounds without any harm.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

48th and 62nd picks and turning it into Wilson, Bequette and a 5th. Time will tell, I guess. Was that the best possible outcome?

 

[West Philly Patriot]

I like guys like this as nickel/dime DTs. Its a mismatch for a G.
The Giants have had great success with the 4 DE sub package. Perhaps BB has taken notice?

Sub DL?
Scott
Fanene
Bequette
Jones

With guys like Ninko, maybe Hightower, Cunningham in the outside rotation
and Wilfork, Pryor and maybe even Jones and Scott working inside at times

I think that would be a great move by BB, with Wilfork, Fanene, Bequette and Jones your doing ok. I don't think Bequette can win against NFL LT's and would be better over the guard or RT. You like Scott over Hightower at that other rush 4-3 DE spot? I think that could be Hightower's best position for us next year essentially replacing Mark Anderson. Hightower as an OLB in the 3-4 seems to be a toss up for some.

Edit: I still really hope Andre Carter comes back healthy for a farewell tour. He'd be a great mentor for these guys.

 

[Ring 6]

Wilfork, Love, Deaderick, Pryor, and Fanene would be the DTs in the 4-3. Not sure how you could say the Pats would be thin there.

Fanene and Pryor are the inside pass rushers in the Nickle/Dime sub package.. If Pryor can stay healthy..In fact, when Fanene was signed, I can remember the pundits pointing out that 3rd down inside pass rush was one of Fanene's strong-suits.

Deaderick and Fanene are LDEs in the 43.

The DTs are
Wilfork = stud
Love = shouldn't be a starter
Pryor = can't get on the field, or do anything when he does
Brace = total enigma who could be gone

It doesnt get any thinner.

 

[The Scrizz]

The second round picks are graded at nfl.com, and it's instructive to see TAYvon's rating of 48. The picks before and after are in the 84 range.

They certainly aren't sold on this tremendous reach. Maybe the scouting dept. of the Patriots has unearthed a guy absolutely no one else could see.

Unlikely but possible.

This is the 48th player taken? A guy who the coaches in his own league don't award as even an honorary all big ten player, even though he had been a long-time starter? things aren't adding up here.

The arrogance of Belichick is really coming through.

Boy we've developed a 'tude since Seattle reached for your guy huh? Do you really think Belichick is being arrogant? Just picking guys because he can? He may not be right every time but every decision he makes is about making the team better, not stroking his own ego.

 

[manxman2601]

I don't really see him as either. At 6' 4 1/2" 275 he's plenty bigger than Ninkovich (6'3" 260 coming out of college) and smaller than Wright (a 295-lb DT). Size-wise Bequette is Jarvis Green, but I see him as a bruising 4-3 DE, a poor man's Ryan Kerrigan.

Are they both white per chance? And after that thread you started. Shame.

Only kidding.

 

[Deus Irae]

The second round picks are graded at nfl.com, and it's instructive to see TAYvon's rating of 48. The picks before and after are in the 84 range.

They certainly aren't sold on this tremendous reach. Maybe the scouting dept. of the Patriots has unearthed a guy absolutely no one else could see.

Unlikely but possible.

This is the 48th player taken? A guy who the coaches in his own league don't award as even an honorary all big ten player, even though he had been a long-time starter? things aren't adding up here.

The arrogance of Belichick is really coming through.

to repeat/paraphrase something I posted earlier: If the pick works out, he's a genius, and if it doesn't, it's an Al Davis moment. While I think it's good to question him on these, I also think that it's awesome to have a coach who's both confident enough to make these sort of picks and good enough that he wins games whether these picks hit or not.

 

[Ring 6]

I think that would be a great move by BB, with Wilfork, Fanene, Bequette and Jones your doing ok. I don't think Bequette can win against NFL LT's and would be better over the guard or RT. You like Scott over Hightower at that other rush 4-3 DE spot? I think that could be Hightower's best position for us next year essentially replacing Mark Anderson. Hightower as an OLB in the 3-4 seems to be a toss up for some.

Edit: I still really hope Andre Carter comes back healthy for a farewell tour. He'd be a great mentor for these guys.

I am thinking Hightower plays in the base, and in nickle/dime, he is more LB than DE. Could be wrong.

I can't count on Carter because even if he can play, what kind of drive is he going to have in that leg?

 

[patchick]

48th and 62nd picks and turning it into Wilson, Bequette and a 5th. Time will tell, I guess. Was that the best possible outcome?

"Was that the best possible outcome?" Easy, no way. Any team getting the best possible long-term outcome out of 2 picks at that point would be a statistical miracle.

If one of Wilson, Bequette and the 5th rounder becomes a starting-caliber player, that's solid value from #48 & #62.

 

[BradyBranch39]

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Texans will attempt to trade WR/KR Jacoby Jones after drafting DeVier Posey in the third round.
Coach Gary Kubiak has publicly thrown his support behind Jones, but the 28-year-old (in July) has become a luxury as a $3 million punt returner. If the Texans can't find a taker, Jones could even be released.

Wait until he's released, then sign him for a little over the minimum?

 

[unoriginal]

I don't really see him as either. At 6' 4 1/2" 275 he's plenty bigger than Ninkovich (6'3" 260 coming out of college) and smaller than Wright (a 295-lb DT). Size-wise Bequette is Jarvis Green, but I see him as a bruising 4-3 DE, a poor man's Ryan Kerrigan.

I had not considered Jarvis Green, been a while since he was here.

But!

Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 9'5"
Short Shuttle: 4.07
3-Cone: 6.90

Vertical Jump: 34.5
Broad Jump: 9'8"
Short Shuttle: 4.18
3-Cone: 6.96

Vertical Jump: 31
Broad Jump: 9'1"
Short Shuttle: 4.25
3-Cone: 7.52

Guess who's Bequette, Ninkovich.... and Green.

 

[DaBruinz]

There's a lot of misinformation about TAYvon Wilson being named Big Ten honorable mention by coaches and media.

Not true.

Not so named by coaches, ONLY by the media. So doesn't that tell you something? He's just not much of a playmaker.

Here's the list: all_bigtenteams.pdf - By Nitro PDF Software

Here's an example of the misinformation: Tavon Wilson | Illinois, FS : 2012 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

He had ONE int last year when Casey Hayward playing in the SEC had SEVEN.

This pick is absolutely mystifying. Now I'm getting the taste what my Cleveland friends had to say about stubborn Belichick.

Guess you don't read your own links too well. If you look under the MEDIA section of the Honorable Mentions, Tavon Wilson is mentioned there.

Also, Wilson WAS an honorable mention in 2010 by both the coaches AND the media.

Big Ten Announces 2010 Football All-Conference Teams and Individual Honors - BIG TEN CONFERENCE Official Athletic Site

Maybe you can stop sh!tting on the kid now and accept that the Patriots clearly see something that we don't..

Guess it is YOU who is spreading the mis-information and not NFLDraftscout.com

 

[Ununcle]

The second round picks are graded at nfl.com, and it's instructive to see TAYvon's rating of 48. The picks before and after are in the 84 range.

They certainly aren't sold on this tremendous reach. Maybe the scouting dept. of the Patriots has unearthed a guy absolutely no one else could see.

Unlikely but possible.

This is the 48th player taken? A guy who the coaches in his own league don't award as even an honorary all big ten player, even though he had been a long-time starter? things aren't adding up here.

The arrogance of Belichick is really coming through.

On what planet is Belichick not entitled to be arrogant? I'll even spot you the Milky Way.

 

[The Boston Patriot]

None of us know how any of these picks will turn out. Given the hate and vitriol toward Wilson on this forum, I for one, will be cheering hard for the guy. Freakin' internet football experts, sheesh!

 

[Peteyboy]

Deaderick and Fanene are LDEs in the 43.

The DTs are
Wilfork = stud
Love = shouldn't be a starter
Pryor = can't get on the field, or do anything when he does
Brace = total enigma who could be gone

It doesnt get any thinner.

and Marcus Harrison . .

 

[West Philly Patriot]

I am thinking Hightower plays in the base, and in nickle/dime, he is more LB than DE. Could be wrong.

I can't count on Carter because even if he can play, what kind of drive is he going to have in that leg?

Where in the base do you project him? On the outside or creating controversy on the inside and many "trade spikes" threads on pats fans.com

 

[TyronePoole]

K I might be delusional and I know he's a bit bigger but how does Bequette's upside compare to Clay Matthews?

 

[patchick]

Are they both white per chance? And after that thread you started. Shame.

Only kidding.

Hey, did you miss the Jarvis Green reference?

The funny thing is I actually noticed that and tried to come up with a good non-white comp for Bequette! I wanted a big, sturdily built DE who isn't a super fast or fluid athlete but succeeds with power and play recognition. Who am I missing?

 

[DaBruinz]

Boykin is really slipping, love him as a KR, could play slot corner for us.

(BRANDON) Boykin is slipping because he tore his ACL at the Senior Bowl and is unlikely to play this season.