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The fix was in?

  • Yes

    Votes: 47 42.7%
  • No

    Votes: 63 57.3%

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There is an odd narrative to this thread where peer pressure is used repeatedly to prevent discussion of whether or not refs can be corrupted. I find it strange that anyone would think the NFL above this after all that we've been through. And I find it more odd that discussion of this concept should be discouraged by any fan of the sport.

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That's a fair point and I don't want to suggest that the refs (whether knowlingly or not) are above being biased, my whole point is that this should not be the main storyline coming out of the game. There are questionable calls in almost every NFL game. It just seems in bad taste to complain and be all up in arms about it when our team was thoroughly dominated yesterday. If the game came down to a questionable call then sure, but it didn't.
 
I'm not arguing for the virtue of NFL executives. It's ineptitude and self-interest that expose conspiracies, not nobility.

The "Deflategate" framejob was about as inept as it gets but nobody really gave a sh*t and the league wasn't "exposed" despite a mountain of scientific evidence verifying that this was pure horsesh*t.

Most "rational" types view sports as trivial anyways so they're not going to be shocked or outraged to learn that's it rigged.

The "irrational" types (a/k/a sportsfans) will believe anything they want to believe regardless of whether it's true.
 
Again, we are pointing out their terrible inconsistent incompetence if that happens to come off like we are blaming the refs then so be it but you or anyone else can't tell me their inconsistency wasn't a huge problem for the Pats in that game. 13-17 points for the Pats wiped off the board because of it

How does buffalo get away with holding on their only TD and get away with a clear hold on Edelman on the pass thrown to him inside the 20? But Pats gets flagged for 2 holds on 2 plays that would have changed the game which was the Edelman 90 yard play and Blount's picking up the 1st down 3 times only to get a terrible spot, ref's stopping the play and a ticky tack holding call. How does Chris Long get flagged for hitting Taylor 2 seconds after he released the ball outside the pocket but Brissett gives himself up and the buffalo defender comes in high and no flag is thrown?
If I am to accept your theory that while we are watching a game where players make many errors, that referees are not human and any mistake they make is cold and calculating (except the one where they short spotted the Bills and would have made them punt after actually earning a first down if they hadn't challenged, by the way I saw that clearly from my seat in section 333, so it was as blatantly obvious as anything you are pointing to) then I have to down play my good feelings about the 4 Championships we have because apparently the refs cheated to help us win those.
Or is this just one of those things that is honest when its in our favor but dishonest when its even or not in our favor?
 
Just another example of how confirmation bias leads seemingly rational people into irrationality. You guys arguing for conspiracies know that literally 32/32 fan message boards contain threads about officiating biases and conspiracies after losses, dont you? Every forum of every team we have dominated over the years contains threads just like this one, except concluding that there is a conspiracy IN FAVOR of the patriots. Do you really believe that patsfans alone are able to decipher what is reality and what is confirmation bias better than fans of the 31 other teams? Or is it more likely that officials make mistakes and it is the nature of our imperfect minds to remember the bad calls that go against us better than the ones that go for us?
 
I hope we haven't reached that point. The NFL wants us to lose, so every time we do, the game was fixed?

There's still YouTube videos of how Super Bowl 36 was rigged because the NFL wanted the Patriots to win after 9/11, pointing out penalties that should have been called. How are we any better now?

Remember the Ty Law pick 6? Remember Vrabel clearly making contact with Warner's facemask and helmet when he got pressure? If the situation was reversed, and Brady threw a critical pick 6 in that game while being hit in the head, (regardless of how light the contact was) we would have gone insane with rage, going by the way so many are acting now.
 
Most "rational" types view sports as trivial anyways so they're not going to be shocked or outraged to learn that's it rigged.
Incorrect. A scandal showing the league bribing officials to fix games would be an absolutely enormous story and devastating to the league.
 
Incorrect. A scandal showing the league bribing officials to fix games would be an absolutely enormous story and devastating to the league.

Went over like a led balloon in the NBA. They'll just smear the messenger like they always do. Granted, in Donaghy's case that was pretty easy.
 
Went over like a led balloon in the NBA. They'll just smear the messenger like they always do. Granted, in Donaghy's case that was pretty easy.
Well, exactly. Some scumbag pointing fingers is meaningless. So saying "went over like a lead balloon" is meaningless too. There were no balloons of any kind.
 
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Well, exactly. Some scumbag pointing fingers is meaningless. So saying "went over like a lead balloon" is meaningless too. There no balloons of any kind.
Our entire criminal justice system works by having scumbags pointing the finger at the bigger scumbag. Except of course when the "bigger scumbag" has the right connections.
 
While it's too easy to don a tinfoil hat and decry "Conspiracy" at every turn, I do find it a tad odd how the Donkeys can constantly get away with rub plays, while the Pats are busted EVERY DAMN TIME they try one. Either be consistent with the levying of punishment, or start picking up the flags, zebras.
 
Our entire criminal justice system works by having scumbags pointing the finger at the bigger scumbag. Except of course when the "bigger scumbag" has the right connections.
Well you are a true conspiracy believer. Meaning, there is nothing that can be said that you won't be able to fold into your conspiracy worldview.
 
They didn't have 9 days of prep. They ran things as normal.. They were off until Monday..
The players run things as normal. The coaches, most certainly, do not.
 
If anybody has the right to complain about fixing, it's Lions fans. Those poor SOB's get screwed regularly, including their playoff game against Dallas and the last 2 Green Bay games.
 
Well you are a true conspiracy believer. Meaning, there is nothing that can be said that you won't be able to fold into your conspiracy worldview.

It's called being skeptical. I have no direct proof that the NFL rigs games but I have no faith in their honesty/integrity and don't simply dismiss the poor officiating as merely coincidental.

I also believe Donaghy was telling the truth about the NBA despite the fact that he is not a generally honest person.
 
When I see the word fix, I think of the exchange of money to influence the outcome of a game. I don't think any of the referees or officials on the field are being bribed. I do think that as people they have a bias toward what teams they like or dislike and that influences their calls. Not all officials have equal skill and not all crews are of equal strength. This crew and officiating were pretty uneven in the way they called the game. We see the game at game speed, with instant replay, in slow motion, from multiple angles and for minutes on end and at a top down angle that is simply not available to the officials on the field. How many times have we watched a play only to see an infraction on instant replay and think it's a blown call. Still it's the infractions that the whole stadium sees and the TV audience sees but somehow none of the official happen to notice that bug me. The whistle to blow a play dead because the officials were not in position just shows that this really wasn't a very professional crew. These were the Cleveland Browns of officiating crews.
Whoever was spotting the ball on the field should be fired. Not only was the spots not accurate, they were more like guesses that sometimes were a whole yard off. Still we had chances to score TD's and didn't. The officiating didn't help but we lost the game because the execution of the plays wasn't as good as usual. Special teams, defense and offense all had miscues. The Bills also played well, even though they only put up 16 points, they controlled the game from start to finish. No, there was no fix in the game but there is some things we have to fix before the next game.
 
It's called being skeptical. I have no direct proof that the NFL rigs games but I have no faith in their honesty/integrity and don't simply dismiss the poor officiating as merely coincidental.

I also believe Donaghy was telling the truth about the NBA despite the fact that he is not a generally honest person.
Potato-potahta
 
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The alternative is to simply trust authority figures and take them at their word simply because they are authority figures. AN extremely foolish approach to life IMO but to each his own.
 
The alternative is to simply trust authority figures and take them at their word simply because they are authority figures. AN extremely foolish approach to life IMO but to each his own.
 
There are a couple reasons I don't buy that the refs on the field are rigging outcomes:

1) If every game that was accused of being fixed really was fixed, then you would literally have dozens and dozens of referees in on it. I don't believe that not a single one of them would have the integrity to step up and blow the whistle on the whole thing (in what would be the biggest sport scandal since the Black Sox, if not ever).

2) I think it is kind of hypocritical for a fan (of any team) to complain that it is rigged when they lose, but legit when they win. Being that this is a Patriots forum, does anyone in here think Super Bowls 36, 38, 39 or 49 were rigged? I know I sure don't.

3) Refereeing is atrocious is all sports. Bad calls happen all the time. Everyone gets screwed all the time.

4) I am not a Raiders fan.
 
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