Suggestion: Trade for Manny Sanders

[PatriotReign]

Karras isn't a new guy but new to starting at center every week. Mason might be playing hurt and Cannon is dinged. We need to hope that Wynn will be OK; otherwise, barring a trade for help it'll be tough sledding. Losing Andrews was a huge blow and letting Trent Brown go can legitimately be second guessed.

Brown got the largest tackle contract in history. There was no way they could match that could they.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

from the sound of things i thought we are 0-4

 

[Huckleberry1]

First off, nobody calls him Manny Sanders. Second, I think the issues yesterday are more with the OLine not playing well and the Buffalo D being really good.

I thought the Bills defense showed that the Patriots will struggle to get the ball upfield and outside the hashes, pack them in and shut down the backs outside. Sanders would help with that issue, and Watson could help over the middle. Get Sanders and get Harry up to speed for the second half of the season and they will have enough to make it tough on teams defensively.

 

[TheRainMaker]

First off, nobody calls him Manny Sanders. Second, I think the issues yesterday are more with the OLine not playing well and the Buffalo D being really good.

I knew who the OP was taking about, but it is annoying calling players a name they’re not referred to.

 

[primetime]

The consequences will really be felt next offseason when we can't keep some of the pieces that are making this defense so strong. KVN, Collins..

Depends what happens with the grievance. I'd guess Brown's probably going to get a favorable settlement so they'll probably only get back $5m or so next year.

 

[DaBruinz]

You don't know that. The odds seem to be in their favour but listening to Joe Banner, Joel Corry and others on Twitter this is anything but a slam dunk.

We are talking about 9M in total.

5.75M of that is this year and the other 4.75M is next year.. That's what I know. At no point in time will the entire amount hit..

 

[luuked]

5.75M of that is this year and the other 4.75M is next year.. That's what I know. At no point in time will the entire amount hit..

Come on. We both know that the exact timing on this is absolutely irrelevant. You can move money around.

What matters are the total amounts and if the grievance doesn't go in favour of the Pats (or takes longer into 2021 maybe even) then there will be 9M less to spend.

 

[TomPatriot]

I can't imagine the OL going to crap after its stellar performance last year. Is Karras that much of a downgrade from Andrews? And Newhouse is definitely not ideal at LT but he's only a place holder until Wynn comes back. Really it might be the Gronk effect. We could surely use his blocking ability now.

We all forget (that includes me yelling at the TV yesterday) that the OL wasn't so stellar against the Titans and Lions and both of those games were in the first quarter of the season. Yesterday's game reminded me of that.

 

[luuked]

Depends what happens with the grievance. I'd guess Brown's probably going to get a favorable settlement so they'll probably only get back $5m or so next year.

The question is if it will even be resolved before FA. The offseason is pretty long and FA starts pretty early.

 

[DaBruinz]

Come on. We both know that the exact timing on this is absolutely irrelevant. You can move money around.

What matters are the total amounts and if the grievance doesn't go in favour of the Pats (or takes longer into 2021 maybe even) then there will be 9M less to spend.

You can't move dead money around.

I'm going by what Miguel and OTC have. If you have information that contradicts them, please share it with us and them. I'm sure they've be interested in it..

 

[primetime]

if the grievance doesn't go in favour of the Pats (or takes longer into 2021 maybe even)

The Patriots will settle before next league year so they can get get their cap space set. This isn't really about winning or losing the grievance since it probably won't go to arbitration for exactly that reason. Brown has them over a barrel because time is against them and the contract wording is ambiguous such that there's no guarantee of a win on either side, though the Patriots can probably assume that the arbitrator will rule against them because otherwise they'd be substantially reinterpreting the concept of guaranteed money in the CBA, which I'd imagine based on my experience most arbitrators would be loath to do. (Most arbitrators don't trade in broad reinterpretations of CBAs.)

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes. I love this idea. Perfect fit.

or TE OJ Howard

Howard played 88% of his team's offensive snaps yesterday. He's probably not on the block.

 

[Triumph]

from the sound of things i thought we are 0-4

All 4 teams have issues at QB.

Josh Allen is the next Drew Bledsoe with mobility.

 

[luuked]

You can't move dead money around.

I'm going by what Miguel and OTC have. If you have information that contradicts them, please share it with us and them. I'm sure they've be interested in it..

What are you talking about ? Moving dead money ? Where did you get that weird idea.

I am saying you can move money around from future years by extensions and restructures making the exact year when dead money hits more or less irrelevant. The only thing relevant is the total amount of dead cap hit you will take. When it happens is completely meaningless.

Thanks to the flexibility of signing bonus proration you gotta see the salary cap in 2-3 year windows and not year-to-year.

 

[luuked]

The Patriots will settle before next league year so they can get get their cap space set. This isn't really about winning or losing the grievance since it probably won't go to arbitration for exactly that reason. Brown has them over a barrel because time is against them and the contract wording is ambiguous such that there's no guarantee of a win on either side, though the Patriots can probably assume that the arbitrator will rule against them because otherwise they'd be substantially reinterpreting the concept of guaranteed money in the CBA, which I'd imagine based on my experience most arbitrators would be loath to do. (Most arbitrators don't trade in broad reinterpretations of CBAs.)

What's ABs incentive to do that ? Not sure he is running out of money any time soon.

 

[Triumph]

The Patriots will settle before next league year so they can get get their cap space set. This isn't really about winning or losing the grievance since it probably won't go to arbitration for exactly that reason. Brown has them over a barrel because time is against them and the contract wording is ambiguous such that there's no guarantee of a win on either side, though the Patriots can probably assume that the arbitrator will rule against them because otherwise they'd be substantially reinterpreting the concept of guaranteed money in the CBA, which I'd imagine based on my experience most arbitrators would be loath to do. (Most arbitrators don't trade in broad reinterpretations of CBAs.)

It all boils down to awful drafting at WR.

 

[primetime]

What's ABs incentive to do that ? Not sure he is running out of money any time soon.

Not Brown but the union; keep in mind Brown doesn't get to select his own representation and has to follow the negotiated process to litigate this.

An unfavorable ruling not only nets you $0 but screws future cases that aren't one of the league's highest paid players. A reinterpretation of how guaranteed "guaranteed money" actually is would **** players hard. I think it's unlikely but not a gamble I'd make.

 

[Uptown]

Howard played 88% of his team's offensive snaps yesterday. He's probably not on the block.

Ohhh so they finally upped his PT. Damn.

 

[luuked]

Not Brown but the union; keep in mind Brown doesn't get to select his own representation and has to follow the negotiated process to litigate this.

An unfavorable ruling not only nets you $0 but closes off this avenue for future cases that aren't one of the league's highest paid players. The union benefits from ambiguity in this language and a reinterpretation of guaranteed money could **** players hard.

Ultimately it is AB's decision not the unions.

Now odds are he will just do whatever their lawyers will arrange but we are talking about a person who almost froze his feet off.

 

[primetime]

Ultimately it is AB's decision not the unions.

Now odds are he will just do whatever their lawyers will arrange but we are talking about a person who almost froze his feet off.

That's not entirely true, the union makes the determination to invoke arbitration and represents Brown in the case. Brown doesn't have any choice but the union as rep through the negotiated process, and the union has a duty of fair representation to Brown but generally has multiple priorities to juggle in these cases. Brown could turn down a settlement but the union probably won't invoke if they think he wouldn't settle. Too big a risk in terms of making bad law here. In that case the Patriots would win by default.