So we didn't use the Tag on anyone ?

[BradyFTW!]

We were hands down out coached in the 2nd half of that game..not becasue of talib. Don't blame the "no talib so we lost" excuse. We were out coached

Hard to separate the two, IMO. Once Talib was gone, the Patriots didn't have the personnel to do... much of anything, really. They became the same terrible defense that we saw at the beginning of the year, and the only real question that was left was moving McCourty back to corner or letting CB try (and fail) to be CB2. They could either commit extra defenders to coverage and get beaten when they couldn't get to the QB or commit extra defenders to the pass rush and get beaten when guys were getting open in 3 steps. Simply put, without Talib, there wasn't enough talent on defense to stop the Ravens. Call that being outcoached if you want, and it's not totally wrong, but it's certainly not the whole story.

 

[bagwell368]

Should've locked down Talib. Dumb move for our pathetic lack of defense. :bricks:

The D last year was average. Go refer to the injuries to Talib and Love in the 1st quarter of the AFC Championship game - and Nink in the second half.

Talib is not worth franchising.

 

[bagwell368]

We were hands down out coached in the 2nd half of that game..not becasue of talib. Don't blame the "no talib so we lost" excuse. We were out coached

Out coached? The Ravens D was sucking wind in the 3rd quarter. If the Pats had executed better in the first 2.5 quarters of the game, the Ravens would have had to go one dimensional on offense.

Out coached?

Rubbish. Out executed and out toughed. That's on the players, not the Coaches - and the injuries to Talib, Love, and Nink.

 

[DocHoliday]

Huh? Talib left in the 1st quarter...know flaccos stats in the 1st half of that game? 6-of-12 for 81 yards. So he lit them up in the 2nd qtr since talib went out right? Why didn't he light them up since he was gone in the 2nd?

Because they didn't start throwing more until the second half. But you already know that, since you're out here peddling Bill sat on his hands when the Ravens changed their approach in the second half.

 

[EwanSellars]

resign talib for a year draft a cb in the first 3 rounds at cb if they like how talib is doing resign him and if not we have another cb that will hopefully do good

 

[Joker]

resign talib for a year draft a cb in the first 3 rounds at cb if they like how talib is doing resign him and if not we have another cb that will hopefully do good

Talib is a free agent...why on earth would he sign a one year "look-see" contract with the Patriots?...yeah, I'd love that....I'd also like to hit the lottery and borrow George Clooney's face to play the "Date A Supermodel Every Day For Life!" game...odds are rather remote though...

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Because they didn't start throwing more until the second half. But you already know that, since you're out here peddling Bill sat on his hands when the Ravens changed their approach in the second half.

Well i am glad it took the ravens 1 1/2 qtrs to realize talib was out....

I know some of you pats fans hate it when someone brings up that BB was out coached. I guess when someone says it some here go on suicide watch. He is perfect and is never out coached or has a bad game plan. Never

 

[EwanSellars]

Talib is a free agent...why on earth would he sign a one year "look-see" contract with the Patriots?...yeah, I'd love that....I'd also like to hit the lottery and borrow George Clooney's face to play the "Date A Supermodel Every Day For Life!" game...odds are rather remote though...

maybe he actually values the organization and realizes he needs to prove he can be a good person as well as a good player. He said he loved the patriots and finally felt like he felt like he was actually part of a team. Some people value that pretty highly

 

[Joker]

I'm not going to belabor this Ewan...other than to say... if YOU were a betting man, what side of the issue would YOU put your money on?...me, I'm going for the greedy agent/get as much as possible side....

 

[Deus Irae]

maybe he actually values the organization and realizes he needs to prove he can be a good person as well as a good player. He said he loved the patriots and finally felt like he felt like he was actually part of a team. Some people value that pretty highly

I'm not going to belabor this Ewan...other than to say... if YOU were a betting man, what side of the issue would YOU put your money on?...me, I'm going for the greedy agent/get as much as possible side....

FWIW, Bedard thinks Talib will chase every last dollar, and made a point of that in his interview tonight.

 

[patsfan-1982]

puting the TAG on Talib at 10 million is a lot of money for a mid level starting CB i think the problem most of us have is if he signs with some other team the pats most likely wont replace him with any body even as good as him never mind a upgrade

 

[supafly]

maybe he actually values the organization and realizes he needs to prove he can be a good person as well as a good player. He said he loved the patriots and finally felt like he felt like he was actually part of a team. Some people value that pretty highly

While he said that initially, he kind of changed his tune the day after the season ended.

I'm not going to belabor this Ewan...other than to say... if YOU were a betting man, what side of the issue would YOU put your money on?...me, I'm going for the greedy agent/get as much as possible side....

No doubt about it. Talib and his agent will take full advantage of this incredible opportunity of bringing his career back from the dead. He went from the outhouse to the penthouse in 8 short weeks from mid-November to mid-January.

We're talking about a guy who very well could have had his entire career down the toilet had he gone from Tampa to another lousy team. He would have been labled a problem child, a bust, and at best been a candidate for someone to take a chance on with a pretty cheap deal in the coming months. Instead, he went to a high profile playoff team with tons of media attention, who happened to be chasing a round one bye. They had 7/9 of his games played in the national television (prime time, game of the week country-wide, or playoff) spotlight, and he rode a wave of momentum and was basically single handedly credited with the entire turnaround of the defense by himself.

He made a couple/few key plays during that time, and offered a body that could finally play some man coverage. It's worth noting that in the 8 games of the second half since he was traded he had the following stat line in the regular season:

6/8 games played

2 passes deflected

1 INT

1 fumble recovered

13 tackles

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaliAq99.htm


One would have to be a complete idiot to not take full advantage of his opportunity, unless they happened to really buy into the team way and the prospects of taking a fair deal to play for a playoff team. I'm just not seeing Talib in that light myself. All hints tell me that this is a no-brainer.

 

[supafly]

i think the problem most of us have is if he signs with some other team the pats most likely wont replace him with any body even as good as him never mind a upgrade

That's going to be for Bill Belichick to figure out. He is the one with the proper scouting services, expert opinions, reels of tape, inside stories, and many good minds of current and past coaches. That isn't even bringing up his knowledge of the game and experience that he brings himself.

In my opinion there are many other options available, and many other routes to take to go about replacing Talib and improving upon the secondary as a whole.

My guess is that he'd rather keep him, but with a cautious and fair deal. That isn't going to work well for Talib though, so we'll have to try and move on. All hope is not lost.