Should we be bold and really trade up?

[NewFeep]

The following scenario would work for me and not surprise me one little bit:

A slight trade up to whoever BB really, really wants: 9 -12 range.

A trade down and we end up with 3 second rounders and BB goes "quantity".

DE stud plus a Tackle, Guard/Center, OLB we'll say for chucks.....

All the rest of the picks are icing on the cake if BB hits with the first 4!

 

[supafly]

I don't see it happening.

As far as value, I just can't see Dareus or Bowers being worth 17 plus Heyward or Wilkerson. I presume that we could one of these for 33 plus 92.

With regard to MILLER, he could very well be worth the three picks. He is the OLB we've been seeking for years. Could he be the one top addition the defense needs? Perhaps, but I don't think that Belichick would take this sort of risk.

I think this statement pretty much sums it up, it's just too big of a risk, and the thought of 'losing' out on multiple chances to grab a player of talent on one risk seems very out of character for Bill Belichick, and quite a gamble. Then, when you factor in the lack of a rookie cap (which we were all obviously hoping for), it becomes even simpler.

On the other hand, I really have no problem at all with anyone bringing the topic up, as I am sure it is something that has crossed all of our minds at some point. There just doesn't seem to be enough of the all too important 'value' that is so sacred in these selections--especially to BB.

 

[PATSNUTme]

There's no Suh this year. There's no Sean Taylor, and there's no Julius Peppers. Yes, *they* (I don't play or coach for the Pats) should trade up, but there's no one this year worth going into the top five for. Move up a handful of spots for Watt, but that's it.

I'm the 12th man.

 

[rookBoston]

If BB can find players like Chung, Gronkowski and Vollmer consistently in the 2nd round, then I dont see how you can advocate trading up for anyone, no matter how outstanding. He'll find players there that we're not even tracking.

 

[JoeShmoe]

The value in this draft class is all lower down so this is the sort of haul we could have by trading down not up

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ots-3-30-patriots-mock-draft.html#post2510388

 

[PATSNUTme]

We need a playmaker on defense. This team is a contender now, one or two playmakers can make the difference.

Having said that, Miller looks like the only guy who could be that playmaker on defense worth making that big move. Jones is the only guy that could be the guy on offense, but I would not move up more than a few spots to get him.

 

[Snake Eyes]

We need a playmaker on defense. This team is a contender now, one or two playmakers can make the difference.

Having said that, Miller looks like the only guy who could be that playmaker on defense worth making that big move. Jones is the only guy that could be the guy on offense, but I would not move up more than a few spots to get him.

Regarding the "playmakers", it seems to me that there's too much emphasis in the wrong place, we could spend #17 and more trading up to grab Jones but we had a pretty damn good offense this past season without him, suppose we spent 0 draft picks and signed Mike Sims-Walker to a Moss-type deal (very little money upfront and a "if you cause any problems you're gone" clause) we'd add versatility to the offense at little cost. Spend a 3rd round pick on Shane Vereen, who would be a nice change of pace back, and a nasty fullback, and you've got things set for plays to me made.

That way we could use our draft picks for the most under-appreciated players who are a lot more difficult to find in free agency: linemen! I think our offense would make more plays with Ijalana and Watkins on board with Sims-Walker and the others I mentioned, in addition to our current players, making plays.

Similarly, if we beefed up our D-line I think you'd soon find the JAGs we have on defense becoming bigger playmakers.

 

[Wilfork#75]

I wouldn't move any higher than 9th or 10th in the 1st round, and I don't think we would need to, to get an impact player. If Da'Quan Bowers or Julio Jones get past 8, I would make my move up to get one of them. I think the key to trading up though is choosing who to trade up with. I think the best option to move up with would be with Washington because they have no 3rd or 4th round picks, and would be desperate to move down and get as many picks as they can. Because of this I think we can get a discount on a trade up to 10. I don't think Washington could refuse 17 and 60 for 10, even though value wise we should probably throw in a 4th. If Bowers and Jones are gone by 10, I would look to move up with Minnesota, who may be forced to trade down in order to get a QB in the 1st round. In this case I would look to target Robert Quinn. If these three are off the board I would then look to trade down because I don't see any other realistic players available that offer value in the top 17.

While it would be great to get someone like Dareus, the cost of moving up is way too high. And as talented as Von Miller is he just isn't a great fit for our system. The same with Patrick Peterson, he will be a fantastic NFL player just not with the Pats. If they fell to 17 I would take them but there is no way I would trade higher than 10 for them.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I'm all for trading up IF the guy is right. I was hoping that Robert Quinn would drop to the 10-12 range, but I don't see that happening now. I have no interest in Miller; I've watched him a few times and just don't see it. Of Quinn's 15 sacks in 2009, something like nine of them included a fumble/strip-sack. That is the type of impact player the Pats need, someone that HAS to be accounted for, who can free up the rest of the defense. Let's face it with the offense the Pats have, they are going to grab the lead, and having an elite pass rusher would just make it that much harder to come back on the Pats. I think that Quinn is that guy. Now here's how the Pats get him....

All this ASSuMEs that come April 6th, the judge rules for the owners, or doesn’t issue an injunction and the lockout stays in place.

#1 Carolina: Everyone has them taking either Gabbert or Newton, I don't see it, especially in a lockout, where their is absolutely no way, you can get a rookie QB ready to play without even the ability to hand him a playbook until after the lockout, Ron Rivera is in a tough spot here, he has to take over a team he can't even talk to.
The pick: Da'Quan Bowers, DE Clemson.
Bowers will show everybody that he is healthy at his pro day today, and will skyrocket up the draft board. He is the perfect replacement for Julius Peppers and a very safe pick for a team with a lot of holes who doesn't pick again until the third round (How's that trade for Armanti Edwards looking now?)

#2 Denver: Another new coach, same lockout effect, Fox goes with the other Defensive lineman.
The pick: Marcell Darius, DT, Alabama.
You can't really go wrong with a Defensive lineman, Darius will be a stud.

#3 Buffalo: Here is where it will begin to get interesting. I think Buffalo has to take a shot here, they have a pretty good defense, a few decent backs, but they need something to compete in the AFC East and draw some attention/excitement.
The Pick: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn.
I'm by no means sold on Newton as a NFL QB, I'm predicting him to have some sort of major meltdown personally, but Buffalo needs a star and he is it.

#4 Cincinnati: Anyone who thinks that the Bengals are trading Palmer hasn't been paying attention; they will lure him back with this pick.
The pick: A.J. Green, WR Georgia
The next Randy Moss (period).

#5 Arizona: It should take Wisenhut about two seconds to turn in this card.
The pick: Blaine Gabbert, QB Missouri.
I was re-watching the Iowa-Missouri bowl game and yes, Gabbert can make all the throws, combine an offensive coach, and the WR that Arizona has and this pick is a no brainer.

#6 Cleveland: another no brainer here.
The pick: Patrick Peterson, CB LSU.
Maybe the best football player in the draft.

#7 San Francisco: Von Miller, OLB Texas A&M

#8 With Miller gone, its time for BB to make his move, the Patriots trade picks 17, 60, and 92 (to Tennessee for pick #8. The Pats take Quinn, still have picks #28, #33 (both of which are very tradable and/or can still get the LT and DE that they need at) and the Titans pick up an extra second and third round pick, a more than fair trade. (#8 =1400 points (according to GBN draft chart) and 17, 60, & 92 = 1382)

 

[VJCPatriot]

I think moving up to say #13 for a 3rd round pick would be okay if there's a guy we like there. A small move up. And then we can recoup that value by trading down from #28 after all the bluechip talent is gone. A lot of good passrushers and OL will be available in round 2.