Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by UptownPatsFan, Jan 10, 2019.
It is that easy. You just shut the hell up about it, and it's done here.
The whole concept of this thread is based off a lot of connecting far apart dots. Kingsbury said he loved Murray, ergo he will draft Murray, ergo he will trade Rosen. From what I can tell, the thread title is mostly speculation - not sure if it's from Schefter or a particularly zealous reading of what Schefter said.
I still think Rosen is the QB other than Mayfield who's most likely to make it from last year's draft. He's got all the tools and his team was awful. I don't even think Goff is a comparable, because Goff's issues up until this year looked physical, like he was simply incapable of making certain throws. Rosen can make all the throws but he's got no line and nobody to throw to. But yeah, you really can't know much about a QB until after a few years.
Fair. I really respect your opinion, by the way. I admit I didn't watch a lot of the Cardinals this year either, so maybe he did reveal himself as a fraud. I just thought he was the best QB peospect last year and would have a hard time passing on him for a 2nd or something.
I just remember a lot of "Josh isn't hungry, he doesn't love the game, he's not a leader" takes that either explicitly or implicitly mentioned him being a rich tennis playing kid who never faced adversity and was clearly just in it for the money (you can almost see someone flicking their nose knowingly as they wrote that). His coaches and teammates at UCLA pretty stringently disagreed, but that was still the narrative.
Rosen stinks. Being a qb is more than having a good arm.
They were very similar to darnolds.
I was probably too harsh on Rosen, honestly. I'm going through some of his games again and watching with a more objective eye, and he's got some good things going for him. Some very nicely placed passes. If he's kept clean he looks like a Jugs machine, but I just wish that he didn't turtle against pressure so often. I also dislike how he either checks down well short of the first down marker, or tends to launch it deep. My opinion is warming slightly, although I wasn't as impressed during the season. So tough to get away from biases, but he may still turn things around.
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I don't have much use for the hot takes about his background. Football players come from all sorts of backgrounds; I don't care or discriminate when I'm watching the games, although for the draft I do pay attention to some off field concerns. I get confidence, but I didn't like Rosen's "there were nine mistakes" comments after the draft. It seems unnecessary and disrespectful to those guys. Going in the top ten is incredible accomplishment on its own. How many hundreds of eligible players each year never even get drafted? I just prefer some gratitude, I guess, but I'm old fashioned (and I know it).
I'd take Rosen but I'm still driving the Danny Etling bandwagon.
Who's sitting shotgun?
Garbage player, also a dink. No thanks!
Salem High school baby!
I really feel like you are a crazy son of a bitch sometimes. **** it, I like that about you. Count me on board, but I better get to select the tunes!!!!
Probably more like 5 9 or 5 10
I ****ing hate that. I wrote to Bill Reynolds when he used it wrongly few years ago.
He was so nice in his reply that it made me feel even jerkier than I usually do.
There's not one category I can see where Rosen is better and some there are significant differences.
One example Y/A 6.92 - 5.80 where Darnold is closer to Brady than Rosen. Darnold had positive TD/INT; Rosen was negative. Passing rating 77.6 - 66.7; 2865 yds - 2278.
I agree neither was a top 20 QB, but one was bad and the other horrific.
Why would the cards give up Rosen for anything less than a first?
I really like rosen’s Skill. He had a horrible o line and should never have played that early in his career.
Put him on our bench for a year or two and he will be better than jimmy g was last year when he does wind up starting.
I would give Arizona a second and third this year and a second next year for Rosen!
A high first round pick doesn't suddenly lose a round of value because Patriots fans are keen on a pennies on the dollar deal.
Given where the Pats pick, you're probably looking at multiple picks.
An example of anti-short people bias. See Randy Newman.
I said similar. I didn’t say better.
Quibbling over whether bad at 57.7% complete is better than 55.2% is silly. Bad is bad.
Int % was identical.
Bad and slightly worse are similar in my book. The difference between the 2 is minuscule really.
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