Report: Patriots willing to listen to offers

[PATS16N0]

It’s not about what makes sense. This board could make an incredible psychological case study.
Fans observed great success and felt they were somehow responsible for it because they chose to like this team. They bragged about being a patriot fan s d being better than the fans of other teams. They LOVED the Patriots, the Patriot way, they were above mortal fans.
The inevitable happened and they are crushed because sonething they had nothing to do with was the rate success in their life.
So now that they no longer have that they get angry and lash out at whatever they can. The man who built that item they took so much pride in now is a a pariah who must be harshly punished. All the players have to go because we need to get something, anything that might be better.
It’s abysmal

First of all, I refuse to believe me knocking on my wooden table every time a thought of something bad happening to Tom crept into my head during a game did nothing. I’m pretty sure I kept him mostly safe for 23 years.

Second of all, I would take whatever it is you just described to the gobliny, raspy-voiced Tom Brady hate expressed by knuckle-dragging 10AM fireball shot drinking cretins that started calling for a trade in 2014 and now praise Mac Jones without end.

Thirdly, we are superior to other fans. We have six rings and a bonus 7th that belongs to us even though it sits in Tampa. Other-team mere-mortal peasant fans can kiss my chowder eating ass, kid.

I only accept phone calls from fans of teams with six rings or more, and as I told my Steeler friend shortly after that was the new criteria, his team doesn’t count. Steroids*.

 

[Thelonious]

I'd take Gonzalez and Schooler off the block, listen to offers on others. The main thing remains ensuring that Bill plays NO role in roster decisions, including trades, from this point forward, except to express a willingness to be traded himself.

 

[Steve102]

I also read the Pats are bluffing and will reject offers. Very weird ****.

Reading between the lines, I think the truth might be that if someone wants to over pay...

 

[Ring 6]

That's Andy, the #1 ReAl PaTs Fan and the subject of your phsychological case study in delusion.

And what color is the sky in your world?

 

[Ring 6]

First of all, I refuse to believe me knocking on my wooden table every time a thought of something bad happening to Tom crept into my head during a game did nothing. I’m pretty sure I kept him mostly safe for 23 years.

Second of all, I would take whatever it is you just described to the gobliny, raspy-voiced Tom Brady hate expressed by knuckle-dragging 10AM fireball shot drinking cretins that started calling for a trade in 2014 and now praise Mac Jones without end.

Thirdly, we are superior to other fans. We have six rings and a bonus 7th that belongs to us even though it sits in Tampa. Other-team mere-mortal peasant fans can kiss my chowder eating ass, kid.

I only accept phone calls from fans of teams with six rings or more, and as I told my Steeler friend shortly after that was the new criteria, his team doesn’t count. Steroids*.

You could be the primary subject.

There is literally no sane person that called for trading Tom Brady in 2014, so I think you are arguing with the clouds on that one.

 

[203Pat]

Outside of Gonzalez, literally every player on the roster should be available for a trade.

 

[Ring 6]

Reading between the lines, I think the truth might be that if someone wants to over pay...

That’s not what was said though. The comment was something to the effect the patriots are shopping players but historically they aren’t too willing to trade them away.

 

[Ring 6]

Outside of Gonzalez, literally every player on the roster should be available for a trade.

Why? What do you gain by giving away your young players?
Why would you get rid of, to name a few
Stevenson
Strange
Sow
Thornton
Douglass
White
Mapu
Onwenu (if you can sign him)
Barmore
Jack jones
Marcus jones
Dugger (if you can sign him)

And why would you dump all of your veterans? How does that make you better next year?

 

[203Pat]

Why? What do you gain by giving away your young players?
Why would you get rid of, to name a few
Stevenson
Strange
Sow
Thornton
Douglass
White
Mapu
Onwenu (if you can sign him)
Barmore
Jack jones
Marcus jones
Dugger (if you can sign him)

And why would you dump all of your veterans? How does that make you better next year?

Stevenson wouldn't go for much since he's an RB but if someone were to offer 4th round pick I would drive him to the airport.
Strange is an oft injured, inconsistent guard. If someone actually wants that then take him.
Sow is 30 seconds into his career and I doubt anyone would trade for him when they could've drafted him a few months ago
Thornton is an oft injured receiver who is seeing diminished snaps. Someone wants him come get him.
Douglas is the same as Sow
White is the same as Sow
Mapu is the same as Sow
Onwenu I would like back but I don't know if he will be after Bill drafted 23 interior linemen. If he isn't in the plans for 2024 trade him.
Barmore is a guy with potential but goes MIA too often. I am waiting for him to turn it on next year in a contract year. He is another guy I wouldn't mind hanging onto but if someone gives you a high pick for him take it.
Jack Jones has promise but is also one F up from being out of the league. If someone wants to take him come get him.
Marcus Jones I really like as a returner and offensive gadget guy but he isn't a great corner. I would like to hang onto him too but he basically falls into the Barmore category.
Dugger is the same as Onwenu. I would like him back but if he isn't in the plans get something for him.

We need a full rebuild and there really aren't many players on this team you can say "Player X will definitely be on the next Patriots team with a playoff win". Obviously you need to field a team so you can't trade everyone but if you're getting decent value for any of those guys take it. I am not saying fire sale everyone for 6th and 7th round picks but there shouldn't be many sacred cows. They need to accumulate picks so they can move around the draft board if need be. How much of a home run would the draft have been last year if they could've moved back into the first and grabbed Zay Flowers? If they had an extra couple picks in those mid rounds to play with they could double dip if there's a guy in a spot they can get to.

 

[Ring 6]

Stevenson wouldn't go for much since he's an RB but if someone were to offer 4th round pick I would drive him to the airport.
Strange is an oft injured, inconsistent guard. If someone actually wants that then take him.
Sow is 30 seconds into his career and I doubt anyone would trade for him when they could've drafted him a few months ago
Thornton is an oft injured receiver who is seeing diminished snaps. Someone wants him come get him.
Douglas is the same as Sow
White is the same as Sow
Mapu is the same as Sow
Onwenu I would like back but I don't know if he will be after Bill drafted 23 interior linemen. If he isn't in the plans for 2024 trade him.
Barmore is a guy with potential but goes MIA too often. I am waiting for him to turn it on next year in a contract year. He is another guy I wouldn't mind hanging onto but if someone gives you a high pick for him take it.
Jack Jones has promise but is also one F up from being out of the league. If someone wants to take him come get him.
Marcus Jones I really like as a returner and offensive gadget guy but he isn't a great corner. I would like to hang onto him too but he basically falls into the Barmore category.
Dugger is the same as Onwenu. I would like him back but if he isn't in the plans get something for him.

We need a full rebuild and there really aren't many players on this team you can say "Player X will definitely be on the next Patriots team with a playoff win". Obviously you need to field a team so you can't trade everyone but if you're getting decent value for any of those guys take it. I am not saying fire sale everyone for 6th and 7th round picks but there shouldn't be many sacred cows. They need to accumulate picks so they can move around the draft board if need be. How much of a home run would the draft have been last year if they could've moved back into the first and grabbed Zay Flowers? If they had an extra couple picks in those mid rounds to play with they could double dip if there's a guy in a spot they can get to.

Thanks for showing me why to not take your opinions seriously.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Duggar is massively overrated by this board. I’d take a 4

 

[203Pat]

Thanks for showing me why to not take your opinions seriously.

You know Andy people are allowed to disagree with you. In fact most of the board disagrees with 90% of your posts.

 

[203Pat]

Duggar is massively overrated by this board. I’d take a 4

I liked him when he was an in the box safety. Now he is playing out of position in the McCourty center field role and he can't make plays that way.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Duggar is massively overrated by this board. I’d take a 4

Because he’s one of the few drafted players who is above average.

 

[XLIX]

There is not a single untradeable player on this team. Now some certainly would cost more than others, but there is no one we can't live without. If someone wants to make an offer, all lines are open and operators are standing by.

 

[Ring 6]

You know Andy people are allowed to disagree with you. In fact most of the board disagrees with 90% of your posts.

Of course people are allowed to disagree. The majority of my posts are directed at things that are common group think and are wrong, so of course the group thinkers will disagree with me but I get a hell of a lot more agrees that disagrees and the disagrees are mostly grudge holders

In your case, not understanding that a football team isn’t made up of 53 superstars and solid players who aren’t stats are vital to being a good team, so thereby thinking no player that isn’t a pro bowler has value, just makes me place no value on your opinion.

See I am allowed to disagree with you too. And in this case I disagree with your general level of understanding so I have no real interest in the opinions that eminate from that level of understanding.
No hard feelings, I’d rather just dismiss you than going through a pointless argument. Have a great Monday.

 

[Steve102]

That’s not what was said though. The comment was something to the effect the patriots are shopping players but historically they aren’t too willing to trade them away.

So they are a car customer who wants to know what their trade is worth without buying a new car. Got it.

 

[Ring 6]

So they are a car customer who wants to know what their trade is worth without buying a new car. Got it.

Not sure about that, I think it’s more that they don’t want to trade away value so when they make a player available they aren’t desperate to trade them.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Why would they trade the players who have any value and who are young? The whole point of rebuilding is to bring in good young players. Trading Barmore or Dugger etc. is going to set you back, not get you ahead. Look at the track record for 2nd thru 4th rounders drafted in the NFL. Less than 1/3rd of these guys become as good as the players we're thinking of trading. Pro Bowlers are few and far between.

Look at the 2nd rounders drafted after Barmore in the 2021 draft: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft/rounds/_/round/2/season/2021

I see Asante Samuel, Creed Humphrey, a couple others and not much else.

None of them are among the almost 90 Pro Bowlers from last year.

Agree on Barmore and Duggars, those are guys you build around, not trade, unless you know from discussions with their agents that you will never re-sign them. I would still test Vegas for a Jones-Garrapolo swap, and then take a QB in the first round, because Jones isn’t going to lead them to a Championship, and the cost of even a mediocre QB is ridiculous., so they won’t pick up his option, and he won’t be re-signing here.

Overall I would try to keep as much of this defense together as possible, because they are good enough to contend with, and I think Bourne and Stephenson are among the few offensive players other teams would trade for. And I would keep Strange and Onyewu to build the OL around.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't believe that for a second. Hes young, salary is reasonable and has a ton of game experience.

I would think a team desperate for a starting QB/top backup would offer a 4th or 5th for him.

I think MacDaniels is one of the few coaches who would want to trade for Jones, but I could also see Atlanta taking a shot at him, because they have the offensive pieces, and their QB is abysmal.