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  1. ivanvamp

    ivanvamp In the Starting Line-Up

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    I've said for a long time that they need something similar to ops+ or era+ like baseball has - a passer rating that accounts for the era in which these guys played PLUS the stadium they play in. Because obviously playing in windy Chicago or frigid Foxboro is harder than playing in the comfy confines of the Super Dome.
     
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    Some quick and dirty excel work....Here are some QBs' best seasons (calculated by passer rating) compared with the league average for that year.....

    Graham (1946) - his: 112.1, league: 55.4, % of league: 202.3%
    Stabler (1976) - his: 103.4, league: 67.0, % of league: 154.3%
    Montana (1989) - his: 112.4, league: 75.6, % of league: 148.7%
    Peyton (2004) - his: 121.1, league: 82.8, % of league: 146.3%
    Griese (1971) - his: 90.9, league: 62.2, % of league: 146.1%
    Staubach (1973) - his: 94.6, league: 64.9, % of league: 145.8%
    Rodgers (2011) - his: 122.5, league: 84.3, % of league: 145.3%
    Young (1994) - his: 112.8, league: 78.5, % of league: 143.7%
    Marino (1984) - his: 108.9, league: 76.1, % of league: 143.1%
    Brady (2007) - his: 117.2, league: 82.6, % of league: 141.9%
    Warner (1999) - his: 109.2, league: 77.1, % of league: 141.6%
    Unitas (1958) - his: 90.0, league: 65.3, % of league: 137.8%
    Starr (1964) - his: 97.1, league: 71.7, % of league: 135.4%
    Bradshaw (1975) - his: 88.0, league: 65.8, % of league: 133.7%
    Brees (2009) - his: 110.6, league: 84.3, % of league: 131.2%
    Kelly (1990) - his: 101.2, league: 77.3, % of league: 130.9%
    Favre (2009) - his: 107.2, league: 83.0, % of league: 129.2%
     
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    @ivanvamp Thanks! That's just the sort of thing I was thinking of. Very interesting!
     
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    Sure thing. It doesn't take into account the fields on which they played though, which is a major factor. Peyton with the Colts playing all his games in either a dome (Indy) or basically in warm-weather environments is vastly different than Brady playing in an outdoor stadium in New England and playing also in NY and Buffalo. But it's interesting for sure.
     
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    Brady in a dome/retroroof: 106.52 over 22 games
    Forehead in a dome: (where 80% of his games were nice and quiet): 99.1

    With that said outdoors w/ Denver 2012 to 2014 he was dominant around 109 QBR
     
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    ...hmmm...I wonder why that was...
     
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    Tom Brady has played 2.5 seasons of just playoff football in which he has a 75% winning percentage.

    Just think about that.

    It’s absolutely absurd.

    They could play football for 500 years and we’ll never see this again. Ever. It’s mind boggling.
     
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    We've really run out of words to describe Brady.

    As for PR, the proof is right in front of us. After all these years of watching Brady win so much how can we trust a system that has him rated so poorly? There has to be a flaw in the PR.
     
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    I'm partial to Bradshaw because of the way he was mistreated by the mediots. In spite of leading his team to so much success they referred to him as dumb.
     
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    I never heard of him and I already forgot his name.
     
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    I think a good way to judge a player's all-time strength is by looking at his success in the era he played. Brady is the QB King of the 21st Century.
     
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    So true, and something that gets overlooked when we judge passing. It also comes into play in the kicking game.
     
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    Well...he kinda was/is.
     
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    I don't think a QB can be dumb and lead a team to multiple titles.
     
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    You can be football smart and real life dumb. Or vice-versa. Clearly Bradshaw was football smart.
     
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    Hollywood Henderson: “Bradshaw is so dumb he couldn’t spell cat if you spotted him the c and a”. Still one of the funniest lines ever.
    Of course Bradshaw’s current job doesn’t help quell the dumb characterization
     
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    To make this more recent, Tony Richardson can't spell "JETS" if you spot him the J, E and T.
     
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    Lol at people who can’t Graham his due because he’s old news. Any all-time QB ranking lists that doesn’t have him in the top 4 belongs in the waste basket.
     
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    No, it's an opinion. You have one, others have a different one. Nothing wrong or right.
     
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    Many opinions are right or wrong, or at least more valid when fact checked. Tastes differ, but opinions based on reasoning and facts can hold stronger weight than others. Granted, comparing QBs throughout different eras is a tall task and will turn out to be contested with the truth being more elusive. But to say that in general just because an opinion is an opinion it is therefore equally as valid as any other? That’s naive. Graham’s QB rating was more than 2x the average of his time. A counter point would be more effective than just waving your hands in the air and pointing out that it’s an opinion. Does someone’s opinion that Ryan Leaf is a top 10 all-time QB have equal weight, not being right or wrong, in your book?
     

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