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qb playoff passer ratings: Bart Starr #1 You'll never guess where Brady is (#14)

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  1. neuronet

    neuronet Homer Little PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Sorry I couldn't resist the clickbait title.
    NFL Passer Rating Career Playoffs Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

    I think the following require minimum 10 playoff games [Edit no it doesn't -- not sure of minimum]
    I found this interesting, and thought Brady would be higher. In the GOAT arguments, I think people largely have just accepted Brady is the winner, but this stat could be used by people who want to push for Starr or ... Alex Smith. :) Ok sorry I couldn't stop from laughing.

    I guess my question is why is this a bad metric, given that it is by definition, because Mark Sanchez is above Tom Brady.

    Not asking to be a troll, but because genuinely interested in what the many many people with higher football IQs at this board would say.
     
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    there are many explanations for it. One is bigger sample size, two is better defenses the deeper you get into the postseason usually, three is different eras but the sample size is by far the biggest factor.
     
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    Sample size is an obvious one. Brady has played more playoff games, thus one particularly strong performance is less likely to inflate his average postseason passer rating.

    What do those passer ratings look like in the 4th quarter, and more specifically, with less than 5 minutes to play?

    In what rounds of the postseason were those passer ratings posted? Brady has been to more Super Bowls and AFCCGs than those other quarterbacks, meaning Brady has played against tougher competition. It's easier to put up strong numbers against lesser teams in the wildcard & divisional round. Segment passer rating by round of the postseason.

    Statistics without context are largely meaningless.
     
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    neuronet Homer Little PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Didn't Starr get to 5 championships? There is a recency bias too, so people are likely to favor people who are most recent.
     
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    Sample size.
    Brady has 40 playoff games played. Nobody else is close.

    Also Brady has played in more than one era of football- both before and after the Polian rule changes to favor the passing game.
     
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    Passer rating has always been suspect. During the QB era of the 1980s with Dan Marino, Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Fouts, Jim Kelly and Warren Moon slinging it, a guy named Ken O'Brien used to finish in the top constantly, and even lead those QBs one year.

    It wasn't until Steve Young came on the scene that people started taking passer rating seriously. Young was probably the most efficient QB of all time.
     
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    Passer rating is a made up stat with someone determining what's important. I pay attention to passer rating about as much as I pay attention to passes defended.... I don't. It's just a way of gathering information.
     
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    Brady also does whatever necessary to win the game. He won't hesitate to hand the ball off at the goal line or throwing a pass away. That's why his passer rating is always going to be lower than someone like Rodgers or Wilson who scrambles around and look for openings.
     
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    Lol what? Then what do you pay attention to in regards to quarterbacks? Passer rating factors in all the aspects of a QB aside from rushing. Why wouldn’t you pay attention to passes defended?
     
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    Here's an interesting article explaining the flaws of QB ratings.


    Passer Rating's Shortcomings
     
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    I have to think the Super Bowl this year may have lowered Tom’s rating. :oops:

    Also: I bet this number is much higher if you take playoff games that are from 2011 to present. Those have been a large bulk of his career postseason appearances.
     
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    I think it's 93 post 2011 and 86 pre 2011
     
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    Brady's thrown too many INTs in the POs recently, including the SBs, thus his overall career PO passer rating isn't as high as the others. Most of those INTs were simply terrible decisions, too, and not really forced.
     
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    The Ints vs LA and KC were awful.
     
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    Brady’s career passer rating is around 97 and postseason around 90. That’s exactly where it should be, about 5-10 points lower adjusted for better defenses and often more challenging weather.

    You don’t need to look beyond small sample size. Most of the guys on the list don’t even have an entire season worth of games. Brady has 2.5 full seasons.

    Just like Eli is “the most clutch” postseason QB ever, yet somehow he isn’t even good/clutch enough to get there and win a game in 14/16 of his seasons. Let him play in 40 postseason games and tell me again how great he is.

    Small. Sample. Size. Absolutely nothing more to it.
     
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    I’ll take Brady’s relatively crappy SB53 stat line and a ring over his phenomenal SB52 stat line and a loss any day.
     
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    Really? He played like 10X better in SB52 against Philadelphia. The end result can skew our view of reality. It was the only game in NFL history where a QB passed for 500+ yards, 3+ TDs, and no picks, and still lost. That game wasn’t on him. Meanwhile, scoring 13 points is typically a recipe for getting blown out in a game that’s supposed to be a shootout.

    I’m just glad it all evens out. Most points scored by a loss. Least points scored in a win. Back to back years with opposite end Super Bowl records.
     
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    That’s what I’m saying. I’ll take the ring over the stats. I’m sure most would. I’m also glad that it wasn’t Brady’s fault that we lost that Super Bowl.
     
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    The fact is Starr was an amazing big game QB. As is Brady. However Starr had great running games, more able to pick spots. Brady more often tasked with winning via his arm.
     
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    Hold on a sec. A little perspective on this...

    In Tom's last 16 playoff games hes thrown 12 picks in 702 pass attempts (along w/ 31 TDs).

    That is pretty damn good ball security.
     
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