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Patriots Pregame Thread Pre-Game - Divisional Round Texans at Patriots

Pregame Discussion ahead of the LIVE game day discussion thread. The actual Game Thread will Open an hour ahead of kickoff.
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You really have to give it up for Vrabes.

He has instilled a Team comes first attitude with these players. Right down the line players like Moses and Hollins going the extra mile to achieve the end goal - winning.
 
Apparently the Pats will still be listing Gonzo as questionable, as it sounds like he still hasn’t fully cleared the protocol.

 
Apparently the Pats will still be listing Gonzo as questionable, as it sounds like he still hasn’t fully cleared the protocol.

I guess we have no way of knowing what Phase of the concussion protocol he's in

Questionable means 50/50 chance of playing so that's probably just the Pats being as coy as they can be

If there were minimal symptoms and the doctors clear him he wouldn't be the first to play so soon after the protocol - let's hope!
 
 
I guess we have no way of knowing what Phase of the concussion protocol he's in

Questionable means 50/50 chance of playing so that's probably just the Pats being as coy as they can be

If there were minimal symptoms and the doctors clear him he wouldn't be the first to play so soon after the protocol - let's hope!
Did he not practice yesterday, and he ditched the non-contact red jersey?
That would indicate he's in stage 5, so we just need the official clearance statement.


  1. 4. Non-Contact Training
    Drills:
    Full participation in team non-contact drills, while continuing aerobic/strength work; neurocognitive/balance tests must be back to baseline.
  2. 5. Full Football Activity/Clearance: Clearance by the team physician and the independent neurological consultant (INC) for full contact, practice, and games.
 
I'm thinking about buying a club seat for this one. I love being at the game, yet I am a ****y who hates the cold, so that could work.

No that sounds great. Please keep my unemployed ass up to date, if I'm unresponsive it's because I'm fighting old abuelitas for $0.30 cans of chicken broth at the Grocery Outlet clearance rack.
 
I guess we have no way of knowing what Phase of the concussion protocol he's in
He was a full participant in practice without a non-contact jersey. So he's definitely in final stage of protocol. He's still technically questionable until his final neurological check after practice to make sure no symptoms recur (if there were even any symptoms to begin with).

I wonder if they sit Landry (still questionable) in exchange for the edge guy they just signed? He didn't do much last game.
 
Got my tix! Never been to a playoff game before
Enjoy! There's nothing like playoff football in Foxboro. I've only done it once and it was the Billy Cundiff miss game. Freezing my balls off the entire night but also lost my voice cheering with everyone. It was all worth it!
 
I'm thinking about buying a club seat for this one. I love being at the game, yet I am a ****y who hates the cold, so that could work.
How much do those go for?
 
To me I don't think the gameplan is going to complicated. This weekend will tell Vrabel how tough this team is. The Texans are going to line up and be physical on defense and on offense they are going to run the ball. This will be the formula and to be honest its a pretty dame good one.

This game will test our offensive line. We need to be ready and the big dogs up front need to have their best game this year.

Their backs are small, well I guess I should say not tall. They do this stutter thing at the line waiting or looking for holes. Their running game is underrated and we need to find a way to limit those big carries.

Play with a lead gang. A good start will be important and a little no huddle may not be a bad idea on a drive here and there....
What makes you think this strategy will remotely work. Their run game is average at best, while our run D, when healthy and it is, is among the best in the league. Their pass blocking is as average as ours is, and their receiving situation is far worse than ours. We aren't going to score much, but unless the Texan defense scores, or gives them the ball in the red zone a NUMBER of times, they aren't going to score either.

We don't have a dominant D like they do, but our D matches up PERFECTLY to their offense along with the added advantages of a home game, against a dome team, on a short week.
 
If he's 70% right, odds say one of those teams isn't winning, and the two AFC games seem the tightest matchups.
Rams over the Bears seems to be the weak link to me. Single digit freezing temperatures for a dome So. Cal. team - I doubt his algorithm adequately incorporates extreme weather like that (very hard to quantify extreme weather versus other math models).
 
It's probably been talked about but as a team that plays under a dome, the Texans aren't exactly used to playing outdoor, let alone outdoors in the cold, let alone outdoors in the cold and snow.

I think their win in Pittsburgh was their first cold weather playoff win ever breaking an 0-6 road playoff streak

But the bottom line is they just have such a limited record of playing outside PERIOD I guess we can't rely on statistics, just the common sense that the Pats are much better prepared for the elements in this game - let's just hope the weather isn't so bad that it negates that advantage!

They really only played on cold weather game in Week 14 against the Chiefs this year - and won that 20-10 but I'd say that Mahomes going 14/33 with 3 INTs might have more to do with that win
 
Rams over the Bears seems to be the weak link to me. Single digit freezing temperatures for a dome So. Cal. team - I doubt his algorithm adequately incorporates extreme weather like that (very hard to quantify extreme weather versus other math models).
It is supposed to be frigid.
I went to playoff game in GB a few years back where the temp was similar to what's projected in Chi Sunday evening, and it was miserable.
The temp will absolutely impact the Rams .
 
So been reading, doing my own research and just thinking about this game a lot. Ready to make my in depth prediction on it. My first instinct was the Patriots will win. As time has gone on with Collins being closer and closer to ruled out among other things. I have been feeling more and more confident. The Pats are likely to win this game. Not as likely as they were too beat LAC, but I don't think they are far behind that right now.

First I want to talk about last week. Neither team played a clean 60 minutes in all phases. A lot of mistakes made by both advancing teams and each fan base has rightly pointed out they will clean a lot of that up, and if the opponent makes similar mistakes compared to last week they will win convincingly. I think any person expecting either offense too be that sloppy again will be disappointed. I believe we are in for a much cleaner game. That all being said offensively both fans bases will point to the 'yeah but!' about their offense. Maye's and Pats much improved 2nd half play and Stroud's incredible efficiency outside of his mistakes. All this is fair to bring up. So while i won't completely throw out last week, I think it is best to focus on the total body of work than to over react to a single data point. (Not to say it shouldn't be emphasized). Now on to the game this week.

From the Pats perspective I think there are a lot of things I expected last game that didn't happen. One being Marcus Jones to have some big punt returns. The return game was mostly a non factor for various reasons I won't get into. This bodes well for this week. I foresee a lot of punting by both teams and the return game will be a factor. The Pats have the best return man in the NFL and very good return blocking to go with it. This to me is a huge unsung point. Which team can manufacture points without their offense? I think the Pats can absolutely do that here. Either by taking one to the house or just giving their O some very short fields. I was wrong about Jones breaking a big one last week. But look for it here. Houston's Special Teams defense isn't good. They have one of the worst punt return defenses in the NFL. And since the Pats had absolutely nothing going last week i predict Marcus Jones to make an impact here. This is a massive strength vs weakness no one seems to be talking about.

As far as big plays. This is something i preached even before the start of the playoffs. If the Pats are to win it all. They don't only need big plays, they need what i term 'easy money' big plays. They don't JUST need Maye to lay it in from 40 yards out. They need Henderson to break a short pass or bounce a run outside. They need Williams to take it off the top to the house or hit a cross and break a tackle and turn up field. A short pass for a long game. They had one last week, but not from the guy anyone predicted. (Well 2 if you count Maye's run). Stevenson was kind of just forgotten about. But i will assume this won't happen again. They need one of their home run hitters to hit a home run for them on a play which should be nothing. This is the game to start getting those plays. Williams had a key first down. But nothing else. Henderson would have been free for a TD if Maye had time. This is the week we need our speedsters to cash in and get us some easy points. Cause a 15 play drive vs the Titans to score is NOT what you want to have to do.

The Texans potential weakness to scrambling QBs and explosive plays has been discussed to death. So i won't talk about that. Both are nice factors.

Something that deserves to be talked about more is the run defense of both teams. The Pats. They pretty much shut down the Chargers. Now they face a better line but with Tonga looking ready to go they have their entire core run defense back. Keep in mind this was for a time the best run D in the NFL. Shutting down some of the best runners and run games in the league. They tend to do an even better job vs the backs when they don't face a particularly explosive running QB. Stroud can run a bit but he's not what I'd term a big time threat. He is okay but selective when he does it. So when he does it tends to go well. But really he isn't the type to kill you that way.

The point being their run game is pretty bad. One of the worst in the NFL by YPG and even worse by average. I could see this being a game where Marks and Chubb are completely shut down. I would not at all be surprised to keep the Texans as a whole under 3YPA. That means a lot of 2nd/3rd and longs. Add that into needing to hold the ball a tic longer with Collins out. I see our pass rush getting home more than usual.

I think the weakness of the Houston run defense is being a bit overplayed. They are good. Bur recently our run game has been doing better particularly from the strong side. While i think we will have much more difficulty running this game than last game. We don't need to get 5 a clip. It be great but unlikely. The idea is just not to be completely stuffed and waste a down. Stay on time so you are in 3rd and 5 at worst. Being in 3rd and 6 or more is really bad against this team. However I think the Texans will find themselves in longer 3rd downs due to inability to run than we will. So i think the Texans will have more chances to make mistakes than the Patriots.

Add in one last wrinkle. The Red Zone offense by the Pats was terrible last game vs a very good Chargers D. I don't see them being held out inside the 20 two weeks in a row. They will be better prepared and convert at least 1 TD near the goal line.

So how i see the game going... Pats score a goal line TD... a big play TD from outside the 20 and cobble together through D, field position, return yardage and Maye scrambles at least a few FG drives. I think they hit 20-23 this game. Maybe more if they have success in the goal line more than once. Houston's inability to run and lack of Collins vs our D makes things hard on them. We don't hold them to 3 like we did last week. But 13 is reasonable. Add in 3 more cause they will get a turnover at some point and turn it into a FG (hopefully that's all).

So I have the Pats 23-16 But it could also snow ball badly for either team if things go wrong early. Neither team wants to play from 10 points behind in this one. If they do at any point they will feel rightfully desperate... and that could lead to things getting worse fast even relatively early in the game. For instance if the Texans are down 3-13 near half time and know we get the ball first... do they go for that 4th and 4 near mid field? Then if they do... and arguably they should... but it could lead to a bad spiral. I don't think a blow out is outside the realm of possibility. Though i see it more likely going that way in the Pats favor.
 
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I guess we have no way of knowing what Phase of the concussion protocol he's in

Questionable means 50/50 chance of playing so that's probably just the Pats being as coy as they can be

If there were minimal symptoms and the doctors clear him he wouldn't be the first to play so soon after the protocol - let's hope!

Actually, thanks to the education we've gotten from our good posters at this site we know EXACTLY where he is in the protocol. They were written out, step by step for us, and IIRC, he is on the LAST step today and if he clears it, will be OFF the protocol tomorrow.
 
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