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  1. A Defiant Goose

    A Defiant Goose In the Starting Line-Up

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    Would y'all leave Steve alone already my god
     
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    Zuma Happy Endings PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Seriously disturbing when people make these prediction so early in preseason. That being said here is mine...this one is written in stone ....

    QB (2) T.Brady, J.Stidham (Hoyer traded / released)

    RB (5) S.Michel, J.White, D.Harris, B.Bolden, J.Develin (Burkhead traded / released)

    WR (7) J.Edelman, N.Harry, P.Dorsett, J.Meyers, M.Harris, B.Berrios, M.Slater (yeah i have 7...its bizarre...so isn't not having a better then average TE for the 1st 4 games)

    TE (1) M.LaCosse

    C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
    G (3) S.Mason, H.Froholdt, I.Wynn (Froholdt starts at LG / Wynn backup LG and LT / Swing)
    T (3) M.Cannon, J.Thuney, D.Skipper (Thuney is LT / Skipper's technique is a mess...so this may change)

    DE (5) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, J.Simon, D.Rivers (Rivers makes it)
    DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, D.Shelton, A.Butler

    ILB(2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
    OLB(5) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King, C.Sam

    CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.Jackson, J.Jones, J.McCourty, J.Williams, D.Dawson (Dawson deserves more time to prove he is more valuable then some here seem to think he is)
    SS (2) P.Chung, O.Melifonwu (Ebner released)
    FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks
    ST (3) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

    Total players: 53
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  3. Scotty

    Scotty Practice Squad Player

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    Agree with all but would like to see a little more of Stidham before I would cut Hoyer......Let's see
     
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  4. SBLIII

    SBLIII In the Starting Line-Up

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    QB (2) T.Brady, J.Stidham
    RB (6) S.Michel, J.Develin, R.Burkhead, J.White, D.Harris, B.Bolden
    WR (6) J.Edelman, N.Harry, B.Berrios, P.Dorsett, M.Slater, J.Meyers
    TE (2) M.LaCosse, R.Izzo
    C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
    G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
    T (3) M.Cannon, D.Skipper, I.Wynn
    DE (5) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, D.Rivers, J.Simon
    DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, D.Shelton, B.Cowart
    ILB(2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
    OLB(4) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King
    CB (7) S.Gilmore, J.Jackson, J.Williams, J.Jones, D.Dawson, K.Crossen, J.McCourty
    SS (1) P.Chung
    FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks
    ST (3) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona

    Total players: 53
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  5. Patsgofor4

    Patsgofor4 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    A thought that keeps entering my mind as training camp progresses....

    If the Captain ends up being correct about both Dawson and Williams, I will never, ever forgive Belichick.
     
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    SBLIII In the Starting Line-Up

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    And you shouldn't. The track record of 2nd DBs is downright horrendous.
     
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  7. Clonamery

    Clonamery PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    What the **** does this even mean?
     
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    My surprise cuts are Burkhead, Allen, and (somewhat surprise) Berrios
     
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    SBLIII In the Starting Line-Up

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    Burkhead would be a surprise while Allen would not.
     
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    Clonamery PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Yeah, Burkhead can be also used in the slot and ST's. He's made himself useful....when healthy.
     
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    slam 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Just curious, does the Picker keep track of how many people choose each player? Like "Braxton Berrios has been chosen on 34% or rosters"? That'd be useful.
     
  12. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    DEFENSE
    1) Brooks has a fine contract and will make the team. I don't know whether this will be in place of Ebner or ObiWan. I suspect that Ebner will be put on PUP or will retire.

    OFFENSE
    2) We will have at least one more TE in the 53. As you say the first one doesn't count. readiness will decide whether we need both Kendricks and Anderson (or even another acquisition).

    3) You forgot OG Froholdt; presumably Cajuste will be on the PUP list.

    4) I'm fine with Karras a the Game Day backup at center and guard (or Froholdt). There is no need for Ferentz. I would keep Burkhead with this saved roster spot.

    5) You waffle on Ebner, both on the 53 and one of the key players cut.

     
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    My preseason week 1 53:

    QB (3) T.Brady, B.Hoyer, J.Stidham
    RB (5) S.Michel, J.White, D.Harris, J.Develin, B.Bolden
    WR (7) J.Edelman, J.Meyers, N.Harry, P.Dorsett, M.Harris, M.Slater, G.Olszewski
    TE (1) M.LaCosse
    C (1) D.Andrews
    G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras
    T (4) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, Y.Cajuste, D.Skipper
    DE (6) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, S.Calhoun, J.Simon, D.Rivers
    DT (3) L.Guy, M.Pennel, D.Shelton
    ILB(2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
    OLB(4) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King
    CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.Jackson, J.McCourty, J.Jones, J.Williams, K.Crossen
    SS (3) P.Chung, O.Melifonwu, N.Ebner
    FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
    ST (3) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona
    Total players: 53
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    Noteable players left off:
    RB: Rex Burkhead
    TE: Ben Watson (Suspended), Lance Kendricks
    WR: DeMaryius Thomas, Dontrolle Inman, Braxton Berrios, Josh Gordon (Suspended), and Cameron Meredith (PUP)
    OL: Hjalte Froholdt (he is a guard and I prefer Karras because Karras can back up at center too)
    DE: Keionta Davis
    DL: Adam Butler
    OLB: Christian Sam
    CB: Duke Dawson
    P: Ryan Allen
     
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    AlexB On the Game Day Roster

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    Offense (22)

    QB (2) T. Brady, J. Stidham
    RB (6) S. Michel, J. White, D. Harris, R. Burkhead, B. Bolden, J. Develin
    WR (5) J. Edelman, P. Dorsett, J. Meyers, N. Harry, M. Harris
    TE (1) M. LaCosse
    C (1) D. Andrews
    G (4) S. Mason, J. Thuney, H. Froholdt, T. Karras
    T (3) M. Cannon, I. Wynn, D. Skipper

    Defense (26)

    EDGE (5) M. Bennett, D. Wise, J. Simon, C. Winovich, D. Rivers
    IDL (4) L. Guy, M. Pennel, A. Butler, D. Shelton
    LB(5) D. Hightower, K. Van Noy, J. Bentley, J. Collins, E. Roberts
    CB (7) S. Gilmore, J. McCourty, J. Jackson, J. Jones, J. Williams, D.Dawson, K. Crossen
    S (5) D. McCourty, P. Chung, D. Harmon, T. Brooks, O. Melifonwu

    ST (5) S. Gostkowski, J. Bailey, J. Cardona, M. Slater, B. King


    Notes:
    Offense is a bit light, but all the quality depth is on the defense

    QB - Cutting/ trading Hoyer not only frees up a roster spot at a position of depth, but it also gives Stidham the backup snaps instead of primarily running the scout team. With limited practice time, I would rather invest those snaps in Stidham.

    WR - If Edelman is ready for Week 1, this is a good mix of veterans and younger guys.

    TE - No depth here, but Watson comes back after Week 4. Not sure if there's anyone else deserving of a roster spot.

    CB - 7 is a lot, but there is precedent for it (Williams essentially replaces Rowe from last year). Included Dawson for now, but he's my 53rd player. It would be difficult to part with a second round pick from a year ago, but a lot has changed in the secondary since then.

    S - Melifonwu added as a developmental player at an aging position.

    Inactive (6)
    B. Watson (Suspended)
    J. Gordon (Suspended)
    N. Ebner (PUP)
    D. Thomas (PUP) - I wonder when he'll be ready to play. His salary seems a bit too high to just stash and re-sign for next year ($1.5m cap hit if he spends the season on PUP then IR), but I couldn't find if there's any injury split to reduce this. My understanding is that he can be kept on regular season PUP for up to eleven weeks and then practice for three weeks before he needs to be either activated or sent to IR.
    C. Meredith (PUP) - Seems like a stash for next year.
    Y. Cajuste (NFI) - It was reported he'd be ready to go by start of training camp. At this point, I have to assume there was a setback and he'll be redshirted.
     
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    Posted a new one :).
     
  16. Elijah

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    I posted one a few weeks ago that's nearly identical to this one; the only real change from the preseason game is I've replaced Stephen Anderson with Ryan Izzo for blocking specialist purposes.

    QB (3): 12 Brady, 2 Hoyer, 4 Stidham
    RB (6): 26 Michel, 28 White, 34 Burkhead, 37 Harris, 38 Bolden, 46 Develin
    WR (5): 13 Dorsett, 16 Meyers, 82 Harris, 8 Harry, 14 Berrios
    TE (3): 83 LaCosse, 81 Kendricks, 85 Izzo
    OL (8): 72 Skipper, 62 Thuney, 60 Andrews, 69 Mason, 61 Cannon, 76 Wynn, 75 Karras, 64 Froholdt
    DL (5): 77 Bennett, 93 Guy, 98 Pennel, 71 Shelton, 70 Butler
    EDGE (4): 91 Wise, 55 Simon, 95 Rivers, 50 Winovich
    LB (5): 54 Hightower, 8 Collins, 53 Van Noy, 51 Bentley, 52 Roberts
    CB (5): 24 Gilmore, 30 McCourty, 31 Jones, 27 Jackson, 33 Williams
    S (4): 32 McCourty, 23 Chung, 21 Harmon, 25 Brooks
    ST (5): 3 Gostkowski, 7 Bailey, 49 Cardona, 18 Slater, 36 King
    PUP/NFI/Susp (8): 1 Meredith, 10 Gordon, 11 Edelman, 43 Ebner, 47 Webster, 65 Cajuste, 84 Watson, 88 Thomas

    • The best case for QB is Hoyer miraculously plays himself into having trade value while Stidham continues to look at least roughly on his level.
    • The moment Edelman becomes a full participant, I'm replacing Berrios with him. It sure would be nice for WR reinforcements to slowly trickle in over the season (Meredith, Gordon, Thomas specifically). That way, the offense can figure out how to live without them if and when it happens again.
    • On the note of PUP/NFI, I expect Edelman and Ebner to return by week 1 and be on the 53. Not sure what Cajuste's deal is but his spot is safe once healthy. We should ideally have 9 OL, not 8, but keeping 8 now ensures Cajuste that spot.
    • Not sure what the deal with Pennel is but I'm not changing my projections based on recent speculation about him quite yet.
    • I wonder if Wise has the lowest upside of all those edge players. Note that I consider Bennett (and Calhoun, who was close to making this projection) DL because they slide inside to DT more often than they stand up as OLBs.
    • I was starting to worry about Bentley having a quiet camp after the injury but he looked like his old self (coincidentally last seen in Detroit 2018) on Thursday.
    • I don't even know if I'd want Dawson on the practice squad at this point. I would definitely want to keep Crossen on the PS, if not find room on the 53.
    • Obi is a tough cut but our top 3 safeties are ironmen and Brooks looks capable with the added ST ace factor making him a lock regardless of what we do with Obi.
    • Positions we could trade away: RB, EDGE, LB, CB (specifically Jones)
    • Positions we could trade for: WR, TE, T, DL, S
    I know we've only seen one preseason game that was out of control from the start, but it's hard not to feel like this team is as complete + healthy in August as it's been in years (knock on wood).
     
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  18. BradyFTW!

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    I'm even less confident than usual in this one, but here goes:

    QB (3) T.Brady, B.Hoyer, J.Stidham
    RB (6) S.Michel, J.Develin, J.White, D.Harris, B.Bolden, R.Burkhead
    WR (6) J.Edelman, N.Harry, J.Meyers, P.Dorsett, M.Harris, M.Slater
    TE (2) R.Izzo, M.LaCosse
    C (1) D.Andrews
    G (4) S.Mason, J.Thuney, T.Karras, H.Froholdt
    T (4) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, D.Skipper
    DE (4) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, J.Simon
    DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, A.Butler, D.Shelton
    ILB(2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
    OLB(3) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins
    CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Williams, J.Jones, D.Dawson, J.Jackson
    SS (2) P.Chung, N.Ebner
    FS (3) D.McCourty, T.Brooks, D.Harmon
    ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona
    Total players: 53

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    Crossen was one of my last cuts, I think he'll make it somewhere (and maybe here over Brooks), but with 11 spots already taken up by the secondary I went WR and RB instead (with Meyers and Burkhead being the last guys I put in). I'm assuming that Demaryius starts on PUP, as well as Meredith, with Watson suspended and Izzo keeping his roster spot warm. and maybe Meredith as well, which is part of why I like the idea of Meyers on the roster. Gives him a chance to prove he belongs, and isn't just a Chris Harper-style preseason stud. I think there's a real chance he establishes himself, but if he can't there are midseason vets coming in to take his snaps.

    I left Derek Rivers out, and I'm betting that'll be an unpopular result, but I figure that by year 3 a guy who belongs on a roster will demonstrate it rather than banking on unrealized potential. Sucks that he missed his entire first season and all, but unless he shows a lot this preseason I just don't see why you'd keep him over the other end of the roster guys.
     
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  19. BlueThunder

    BlueThunder Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    I like list except:
    Do we really need 3 TE's ?
     
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    QB (3) T.Brady, B.Hoyer, J.Stidham
    RB (6) S.Michel, D.Harris, J.White, R.Burkhead, B.Bolden, J.Develin
    WR (6) J.Edelman, P.Dorsett, N.Harry, J.Meyers, M. Harris, M.Slater
    TE (2) M.LaCosse, R.Izzo
    C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
    G (3) S.Mason, H.Froholdt, J.Thuney
    T (3) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, D.Skipper
    DE (4) M.Bennett, D.Wise, J.Simon, C.Winovich
    DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, A.Butler, D.Shelton
    ILB(2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
    OLB(4) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King
    CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Williams, J.Jones, K.Crossen, J.Jackson
    SS (2) P.Chung, O.Melifonwu
    FS (3) D.McCourty, T.Brooks, D.Harmon
    ST (3) S.Gostkowski, J.Cardona, J.Bailey

    Total players: 53

    Cajuste, Thomas (PUP)
    Gordon (Susp)
    Watson ( Susp 4 games)
     
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