Pats vs. Redskins post-game thread

[condon84]

However, the running game would, if implemented successfully, keep the defense off the field longer. Which would be a huge plus.

Our offense is best when they play this type of game. I could see an argument if Brady and our passing offense are not productive. But we have arguably one of the top two offenses in the league. To gripe that we're not running the ball enough is a bit ridiculous.

Our defense sucks. We need to score as much points as possible and not screw around. I hate it when we go conservative. After we forced that punt in the third, we tried running it and got stuffed two consecutive downs on 2nd and 3rd after gaining 7 yards initially on first down. I trust our passing game more so than our running game. If anything, I prefer to run off our passing formations than run off obvious running formations.

 

[TheTruth3402]

No way that will ever happen. Belichick, being a Bill Parcells guy, will not ever bring outsiders to have relevant coaching jobs with the Patriots. He likes guys who are integrated into the way he does things, and that's why he always promotes from within. I wouldn't expect that to change.

How about Mangini? I know everyone hates him, but I am prepared to take flak for this. I've seen the guy often on ESPN and he has a brillant football mind and a strong enough personality.

I have tremendous respect for his football IQ, just not him overall as a person. If these two could bury the hatchet and start over it would be mutually beneficial.

 

[PatsDeb]

i'll be providing the rope,pills,revolver,razor and a bridge. User's choice.


Go!!!

LOL. Our defense stinks. I've tried to defend them, but today was just the worst. Hopefully the O will stay great and the D will get better (no where to go but up). Nothing we can do about it. Might as well enjoy the ride.

 

[Sciz]

Instead of a new voice, how about packaging two picks for a top 10 FS?

There aren't even 10 good free safeties in the NFL.

 

[DaBruinz]

I would love to see a defensive coordinator come in and be allowed free reign.
No coach should have to oversee both sides of the ball making all the final decisions.

You aren't going to see a DC come in and be given free reign. As for BB over-seeing all the final decisions, he's been doing that since day one. And that includes when Romeo and Charlie were the DC and OC respectively. That being said, it's clear that BB is allowing MP to call in the plays on the defensive side of the ball and has NOT taken away that play-calling from him.

Granted, a HC should always be able to step in and confer with his coordinators, as all responsibility ultimately falls upon his shoulders, but this situation to me just reeks of BB being a bit too controlling. It should be a democracy, not a dictatorship. No, I don't have any inside knowledge that this is true, but can anyone honestly say that BOB and Patricia can stand up to Bill if necessary?

Can you say that BO'B and BP don't stand up to Bill when necessary?

Without another voice and another perspective, I think some things go unnoticed. Who knows, perhaps I am underestimating BB, but that common wisdom is directly clashing with what I see on the field week in and week out, particularly on D.

I think the offense can be altered simply by integrating the run a bit, but this defense needs an overhaul. I will gladly eat crow on that matter if I am wrong, but I feel that a new voice is needed.

What "common wisdom" are you referring to that is clashing with what you see?

As for the offense, you're not saying anything that anyone on this board hasn't said already...

I don't know how long you've been following the Pats, but they have been in the process of over-hauling this defense for the last 3 years. And it's still a work in progress. They still need another DE, OLB and a safety to go with what they have already changed.

 

[PatsDeb]

How about Mangini? I know everyone hates him, but I am prepared to take flak for this. I've seen the guy often on ESPN and he has a brillant football mind and a strong enough personality.

I have tremendous respect for his football IQ, just not him overall as a person. If these two could bury the hatchet and start over it would be mutually beneficial.

Now I need that razor, bridge, pills, etc. I'd rather go down in flames, as would BB I am sure.

 

[hovis]

There aren't even 10 good free safeties in the NFL.

I meant top 10 pick in the 2012 draft.

 

[strngplyr]

No refs can make our defense or running game look any good.

Our running game isn't a problem. Our lack of calling running plays is. We've also taken running-back-by-committee to a ridiculously new and stupid level. We need one back with 15-20 carries with the others sprinkled in for change of pace. Not 5-8 per back. Nobody can get anything going that way.

 

[DaBruinz]

Instead of a new voice, how about packaging two picks for a top 10 FS?

There isn't a top 10 free safety in the draft. But there are some players who should be around when the Pats pick who might be able to fill the spot.. However, that does completely ignore the fact that BB likes to play the safeties as Left and Right, not SS/FS. There are a couple of players in the draft who could fill the need without having to trade up..

People need to remember that it's not a matter of where the player is drafted, but whether he can actually make a difference by learning the defense, being productive and staying on the field.

 

[strngplyr]

Now I need that razor, bridge, pills, etc. I'd rather go down in flames, as would BB I am sure.

I think Mangini regrets doing what he did, I don't care for him either way, but he seems like he's tried cleaning things up between them and BB wants nothing of it.

Not saying I blame BB either, he cost BB and the team an awful lot.

Mangini is pretty intelligent and could be a decent DC, but I also don't see it happening, you can probably bet money it will never happen, either.

 

[TheTruth3402]

You are right in that the running game or lack thereof is a problem. But once again, like last year....it all starts with the OL and they are getting destroyed by EVERYONE at the LOS. NO one is going to be overly successful running if there are no holes to go through...don't care who the RB is. That having been said....why they can't get creative and bring in someone as a FB/blocking back and give Ridley some more chances....is beyond me......or alot more passes in the flat or out of the backfield to the RB isn't happening either. Basically we are extremely predictable. And...like you say we don't really have any WR other than Welk that defenses are scared of.....Branch has played well but has lost steps and isn't leaving many DC's scratching their heads anymore in the game prep room. As far as D.......I hope getting some guys back will help at least stop the bleeding out there.....but in reality, too many holes to fill right now to go anywhere this year....

There is so much fail in this post. I want to disassociate myself from these radical positions.

The OL is not getting destroyed. They are, however, not getting enough opportunities to implement an aggressive mentality. You do this by allowing them to go forward in the ground game. The smallest difference in the mentality of an O-lineman can have a huge effect when there is a need to pick up 1 or 2 yards. Simply being more faithful to the ground game will help reestablish this mind set.

The idea that we need a big physical WR is completely false. We have Gronk and Hernandez. These guys are big, physical and versatile. They can play inside and outside. The personnel that we currently have are perfect and I wouldn't change them at all. This is a precision offense. We are not like the Chargers who are going to say, "Hey, just go long, I'll chuck it up there and let's see what the hell happens." Anyone who holds on to these delusions needs to wake up. This isn't Madden, it is the Patriots system and, IMO, they have the perfect players to run it.

 

[MP-Logick]

Our running game isn't a problem. Our lack of calling running plays is. We've also taken running-back-by-committee to a ridiculously new and stupid level. We need one back with 15-20 carries with the others sprinkled in for change of pace. Not 5-8 per back. Nobody can get anything going that way.

We don't need to run the ball much when the Redskins defense can't remotely stop the pass.

 

[DaBruinz]

You are right in that the running game or lack thereof is a problem. But once again, like last year....it all starts with the OL and they are getting destroyed by EVERYONE at the LOS. NO one is going to be overly successful running if there are no holes to go through...don't care who the RB is. That having been said....why they can't get creative and bring in someone as a FB/blocking back and give Ridley some more chances....is beyond me......or alot more passes in the flat or out of the backfield to the RB isn't happening either. Basically we are extremely predictable. And...like you say we don't really have any WR other than Welk that defenses are scared of.....Branch has played well but has lost steps and isn't leaving many DC's scratching their heads anymore in the game prep room. As far as D.......I hope getting some guys back will help at least stop the bleeding out there.....but in reality, too many holes to fill right now to go anywhere this year....

You clearly are too absorbed in the negative BS to actually have an unbiased opinion and this is PROOF.

The O-line, which is on it's 4th Center, has played pretty well overall. This BS fantasy of yours that they are getting destroyed is laughable and shows you aren't really watching the games. If they were "getting destroyed" the opposing defense would have a hundred sacks by now..

Running the ball only 16 times in a game is NOT the way to get an effective running game..

 

[mipatsfan]

What I found a bit baffling was that with under two minutes, the Redskins have first and goal from the 9 I think, then the pats do nothing to try to preserve the clock in the event the Redskins score a td.

I thought for sure after each play, the pats would call a timeout to save themselves some time in the event the skins scored.

They got lucky Moss tossed it to Mayo.

But in the event the skins did score, the pats could have gauranteed themselves about a minute and a half of clock time.

Yep, I was screaming the same thing the whole time during that emotionally draining goal-to-go stand. No idea how BB justifies letting the clock wind down there?

 

[Hoodie]

You kiddin' me bro? We'd be better off praying to the devil.

I love it when you guys think we are all guys but whatever. You're right about asking the Devil for some help. Someone got a soul for sale?

 

[TheTruth3402]

There isn't a top 10 free safety in the draft. But there are some players who should be around when the Pats pick who might be able to fill the spot.. However, that does completely ignore the fact that BB likes to play the safeties as Left and Right, not SS/FS. There are a couple of players in the draft who could fill the need without having to trade up..

People need to remember that it's not a matter of where the player is drafted, but whether he can actually make a difference by learning the defense, being productive and staying on the field.

Mark Barron, Alabama

Didn't BB say that a S needs to be interchangable? Barron looks more like a
SS but he is extremely talented.

 

[Hoodie]

LOL. Our defense stinks. I've tried to defend them, but today was just the worst. Hopefully the O will stay great and the D will get better (no where to go but up). Nothing we can do about it. Might as well enjoy the ride.

How do you like but not like a comment. Maybe it should be "agree"

 

[ctpatsfan77]

You aren't going to see a DC come in and be given free reign. As for BB over-seeing all the final decisions, he's been doing that since day one. And that includes when Romeo and Charlie were the DC and OC respectively. That being said, it's clear that BB is allowing MP to call in the plays on the defensive side of the ball and has NOT taken away that play-calling from him.

Which, IIRC, he DID do to Ratgini in 2005. At least the 2011 Patriots have been able to stop teams in the red zone. [Through the first six weeks of the season, IIRC, EVERY time the Pats allowed a team into the RZ, the result was a TD for the opposing team.]

 

[strngplyr]

We don't need to run the ball much when the Redskins defense can't remotely stop the pass.

Brady had under 50% completion for much of the game, what were you watching, exactly? They stopped the pass pretty well, almost all of our yardage was from YAC.

 

[hovis]

Mark Barron, Alabama

Didn't BB say that a S needs to be interchangable? Barron looks more like a
SS but he is extremely talented.

Ya. Force of habit, I always refer to the LS as the SS. My original point is that a safety with good coverage skills should be high on their draft needs list.