Pats trade Jacoby Brissett to the Colts for Phillip Dorsett

[Bruins29]

He is/was the 4th wr. He got 4th wr snaps. They weren't reducing the snaps they wanted him to play because they are afraid of him playing football.
It's like saying shea mcclellin or Vince valentine was on a pitch count last year.

I do think after a few injuries they have reduced his role to more specialist and ST player etc. If they need him he goes in. I dont think they worry about him being injured in that role.

 

[Ring 6]

I do think after a few injuries they have reduced his role to more specialist and ST player etc. If they need him he goes in. I dont think they worry about him being injured in that role.

I think his role is based on his ability.
Call it what you want but he is out in the field as little as he is because the team has better options not because they would be better with him out there more but are saving him for fear of injury. There are no examples other than players still recovering of BB ever doing that.

And he played 47 st snaps so he isn't not playing offense as because of that.

 

[Deus Irae]

I do think after a few injuries they have reduced his role to more specialist and ST player etc. If they need him he goes in. I dont think they worry about him being injured in that role.

There's no question that he's been on an unofficial pitch count of sorts. There's no question that he'll be on one this season, too. His route selection has changed, too.

 

[mgteich]

There's no question that he's been on an unofficial pitch count of sorts. There's no question that he'll be on one this season, too. His route selection has changed, too.

Call it what you will. When Mitchell is healthy, Amendola will likely be the #5 WR (or perhaps #4). I expect Amendola to get reps similar to that of our #4 or #5 WR. We can easily look up what this number has been in the past. If the number for the past is much larger than what DA got last year, then I would agree that we were holding him back. Similarly, for this year.

 

[Deus Irae]

Call it what you will. When Mitchell is healthy, Amendola will likely be the #5 WR (or perhaps #4). I expect Amendola to get reps similar to that of our #4 or #5 WR. We can easily look up what this number has been in the past. If the number for the past is much larger than what DA got last year, then I would agree that we were holding him back. Similarly, for this year.

I'll trust ex-players and current local reporters who've commented on it. You'll trust Andy Johnson. Fair enough. In the end, it won't matter, because Amendola will get exactly the same amount of snaps whether my sources are correct, or yours.

 

[Ring 6]

Call it what you will. When Mitchell is healthy, Amendola will likely be the #5 WR (or perhaps #4). I expect Amendola to get reps similar to that of our #4 or #5 WR. We can easily look up what this number has been in the past. If the number for the past is much larger than what DA got last year, then I would agree that we were holding him back. Similarly, for this year.

His snaps are the amount of snaps he is the best option to play.

People want to pretend that belichick says he won't put his best on the field because he is afraid of amendola getting hurt. Like the people who say Gronk or Lewis should sit out the regular season so they don't get hurt before the playoffs.
Football just doesn't work that way. If amendola were so frail and brittle that belichick had to put lesser players in the field because the is such a high chance of injury then he wouldn't be in the team.

Amendola has a chance to earn a big role this year with Edelman out. If he is the best player he will. They won't say let's not use the best guy because he might get hurt.

 

[rochrist]

I understand trading Brissette. I don't understand 1) why we would consider trading anyone to the Colts; and 2) why the heck we needed another WR. Curious tactics my dear BB.

Um....because they were down to 4, with one of those (Mitchell) on one leg and another (Amendola) who has to be carefully managed.

 

[rochrist]

I think his role is based on his ability.
Call it what you want but he is out in the field as little as he is because the team has better options not because they would be better with him out there more but are saving him for fear of injury. There are no examples other than players still recovering of BB ever doing that.

And he played 47 st snaps so he isn't not playing offense as because of that.

And yet, somehow, he's always out there in the fourth quarter of super bowls catching TD passes.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

To ease your concern, look at it this way.

Hightower replaces nink plus most of sheard (split time with nink)
Flowers replaces most of long by playing full time all season.
Wise,marsh, guy, butler are there for depth.

It's actually an improvement.
Now if you think Harris will
suck then that's a concern but a different one.

Fair enough AJ (at this point I see Harris with cautious optimism).

I'm definitely not fretting over DE, however, it's vastly more of a ??? than our QB depth/losing our 3rd string QB (QB isn't in the conversation).
In general there isn't much to not like about this team. If teams can't run the ball with above average success on the Patriots' D this is going to be a stingy PPG D. Ultimately, as long as the football gods don't hit us hard in the injury department, hard to see our overall complimentary strength not equaling a coveted bye and as good a shot at the big prize as any of the few teams that make it into the mix (though noting the adage about counting chickens).

 

[supafly]

Um....because they were down to 4, with one of those (Mitchell) on one leg and another (Amendola) who has to be carefully managed.

If they seriously had any kind of belief that Brissett was going to be the backup next year, they wouldn't have traded him away for a developmental WR5 (although with more upside than Carr) who was already on the roster bubble on another team and doesn't know our playbook for ****. At the moment, Dorsett's current value is lower than any one of the rookies in Jackson, Johnson, Tate, Dobson, etc taken in their first year, because they all had similar talent and by now they'd at least have 5-6 months of playbook/system familiarity.

I think it's much more likely that they saw what many here saw in terms of Brissett not being a good fit and they were strongly considering cutting him. Instead, they decided to take a flier on a speedy kid who has some upside and has at least 2-3 yrs remaining on his cheap rookie deal. After all, I doubt Bill Belichick would initiate a trade that could bite him in the ass as far as future QBs go, particularly with the Indy Colts.

 

[PatsDeb]

Um....because they were down to 4, with one of those (Mitchell) on one leg and another (Amendola) who has to be carefully managed.

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Um, but we weren't down to 4 when the trade happened. We had 2 good rookies on the roster, and needs elsewhere on the team. I presume the trade happened because BB wasn't offered anything better.

 

[Sicilian]

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Um, but we weren't down to 4 when the trade happened. We had 2 good rookies on the roster, and needs elsewhere on the team. I presume the trade happened because BB wasn't offered anything better.

Or he didn't view the rookie WR's as NFL ready.

 

[moosekill]

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Um, but we weren't down to 4 when the trade happened. We had 2 good rookies on the roster, and needs elsewhere on the team. I presume the trade happened because BB wasn't offered anything better.

I guess I might disagree on whether the two?? Carr and Lucien? rookies really are good or if they were mediocre. One of the two was picked up by another team, and the second, made it through waivers to the practice squad.

 

[Oswlek]

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Um, but we weren't down to 4 when the trade happened. We had 2 good rookies on the roster, and needs elsewhere on the team. I presume the trade happened because BB wasn't offered anything better.

In retrospect it is clear the team thought they were down to 4 legitimate options. I presume the rookies you mention were Lucien and Carr, neither of which were as impressive as fans seemed to think (Lucien was also injured).

Perhaps most importantly, NE asked Indy specifically for Dorsett, so he was target rather than just accepting the best of a bunch of bad offers.

 

[Triumph]

So we agree that your bs about dropping 50% of his passes was bs and you knew it.

It also appears you agree that there were no drops that didn't hit his hands.

Catch rate depends on the routes you get thrown to on, as I illustrated, and you chose to ignore.
It's not apples to apples.

Dorsetts first few years have been mediocre. That doesn't mean he doesn't have potential and doesn't mean you can make **** up.

No, I agree that you would have to be the biggest homer in all of sports to believe that Dorsett only dropped 3 passes and that Indy would ship him off to the best team in the NFL. The only thing being made up is that Dorset doesnt have bad hands. His hands plagued him in college The Colts were shopping him because patience had run out. Inconsistent production didnt cut it in Indy and it definitely wont cut it with the Pats.

Means nothing that he was a 1st round pick and that he is fast. Tbucky Jones was fast. Bethel Johnson was fast. You can dream up a litany of excuses about why Dorset under performed in Indy, but eventually the truth comes to light.

Every player that leaves NE wasnt that good anyway, but every player that joins NE is a star in the making. I just cant be a homer like that.

 

[Ring 6]

No, I agree that you would have to be the biggest homer in all of sports to believe that Dorsett only dropped 3 passes and that Indy would ship him off to the best team in the NFL. The only thing being made up is that Dorset doesnt have bad hands. His hands plagued him in college The Colts were shopping him because patience had run out. Inconsistent production didnt cut it in Indy and it definitely wont cut it with the Pats.

Means nothing that he was a 1st round pick and that he is fast. Tbucky Jones was fast. Bethel Johnson was fast. You can dream up a litany of excuses about why Dorset under performed in Indy, but eventually the truth comes to light.

Every player that leaves NE wasnt that good anyway, but every player that joins NE is a star in the making. I just cant be a homer like that.

No one is making any excuses, just exposing your lies.

3 drops is an actual fact. They literally keep a statistic for it. You instead say every incomplete target plus some of his catches were drops.

On top of that your massive confusion about catch percentages conflates the matter even more.

I have yet to see anyone say Dorsett is a star in the making. All I have seen is people, rightfully, showing you are full
of crap in your comments. Dorsett may suck here. But if that's the case it won't be because he dropped 56% of his targets because it was really about 3%. It won't be due to his catch rate if he continues to be thrown the ball on more difficult to complete passes more often and does not get short passes to supplement that.

You should stick to your opinion of the player and not clown yourself by trying so hard to be anti-patriot that you make things up and look like a boob

You have a chance to be right in your assessment but have zero chance to be right about the things you made up to try to make your argument sound better.

 

[Ring 6]

And yet, somehow, he's always out there in the fourth quarter of super bowls catching TD passes.

Not sure what you are arguing.
I am saying he has a role. In 2014 that was wr3, because we only had 3 wr, and in 2016 it was wr4.
He was out on the filed in the 4th quarter of the SB because we were trailing and needed wr3/wr4 out there.
He scored tds because he is pretty good at that role. He isnt in the field a lot in other situations because other players are ahead of him on the depth chart.
Wr4 playing wr4 snaps is not a "pitch count" it's a role.

 

[mgteich]

Yes, some posters believed that we had 2 good rookies on the roster.

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Um, but we weren't down to 4 when the trade happened. We had 2 good rookies on the roster, and needs elsewhere on the team. I presume the trade happened because BB wasn't offered anything better.

 

[mgteich]

Belichick sees Dorsett as a better developmental prospect than Carr. Posters disagree. I don't see the controversy.

Amendola is our #4 WR and is likely our PR. Again, I don't see the controversy.

 

[Ring 6]

Belichick sees Dorsett as a better developmental prospect than Carr. Posters disagree. I don't see the controversy.

Amendola is our #4 WR and is likely our PR. Again, I don't see the controversy.

Amendola has an opportunity to move up to the #3, but he is going to have to show a better ability to get open. Putting a guy in edelmans role in 3 wr that struggles to get open is worse than not filling the role and attacking defenses dufferentky.