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DRAFT Patriots trade up and select DT Christian Barmore


The interesting thing is that Lombardi not only called them not moving up for Fields but also gave football reasons for why it really wasn't a good fit:



So it wasn't something he heard or some gut feeling but a mix of insight he had from working for years as a scout and draft guy and what he learned from his time with BB.

It is kinda satisfying to see how actual expertise matters.
I really just ignore the noise because no one knows at the end. I just read an analysis of Fields last week that lauded him for his compact delivery and quick release. Who is right? Probability is that Lombardi and Weis are because they know the Patriots people, but to my untrained eye, Fields looks indeed like he has a compact delivery, not a long strider, if anything I believe he uses too much arm and throws with too short a base. We shall see, I suppose.
 
According to Bedard, the real risk in Barmore seems to be tied to non football issues. I hope he has an agent who puts attention and resources into financial management, lifestyle, the friends he chooses, etc.

What I heard was interesting. And I am just passing on the information I received before he landed on the Patriots — there was no anti-New England bias.

“Yeah, we looked hard at him, could use a player like him … Barmore was not for us,” said one team.

What was the issue? I’m not going to divulge specific information to protect my sources and their relationships, but it boils down to this: there are a lot of questions about Barmore’s intelligence and how it might manifest itself once he’s out of the more controlling collegiate environment and has more freedom.

The team that had the late second-round grade on Barmore said that was the earliest they would have been comfortable with the risk.

“Alabama barely held him together,” said an NFC scout. “As a pro, he’s a real wild-card.”

I asked another scout if he had any specifics, and he said that just general accountability — getting to practice and class — was a struggle for him and Barmore has to be in a very tightly controlled environment, like Alabama has, to succeed. Barmore also was in a very heavy rotation — most players with his talent play upwards of 70 percent of snaps. His playing time just kept dropping to about a 50-50 split. That’s very unusual and sent scouts digging for answers.

“I think he’s going to be a big-time bust,” said one scout, again, before the Patriots picked him.

The Patriots have to know all this. Obviously, Nick Saban didn’t completely wave Belichick off Barmore, so there should be some comfort there with the risk.

That is definitely something to file away. Hopefully being around former Tide players like Hightower & co and in a pretty strict environment will help him in that regard and keep a lid on any stupidity. At least it seems like he actually likes football unlike Isiah Wilson..
 
Seems to be the consensus second best DT in the draft and you get him in the second round. Seems to be a solid choice.
 
When he showed up (key factor), he was supposedly "unblockable" like in Aaron Donald 'unblockable". The issue of course was when and IF he showed up.

This is a classic BB 2nd rounder. He's swinging for the fences. If Barmore ends up becoming a "prototypical Patriot" with a red jacket, then he wins. If he turns out to be like that late first round DT he got about 5 years ago, who's name has already been relegated to the dust bin of history, the critics will lump him with all the 2nd round failures of the past decade (even those who actually weren't failures)
I trust Saban to give BB his real opinion on his player. Most coaches pump up their guys to get them drafted. Saban give BB his honest pros and cons so we have the real data to make an opinion. I think he will be a beast in the Pats system and culture
 
I trust Saban to give BB his real opinion on his player. Most coaches pump up their guys to get them drafted. Saban give BB his honest pros and cons so we have the real data to make an opinion. I think he will be a beast in the Pats system and culture

Yes no more BS opinions from Urban Meyer to Belichick! A minor reason I'm glad Urban went to Jacksonville
 
Reminds me of KC DT Chris Jones/Leonard Wilkerson.
 
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PFF on Barmore:

Christian Barmore is the best interior defender in this draft, and he should have been a first-round draft pick. He is the only consistently high-level pass rusher from the interior in this class, posting a 90.3 PFF pass-rushing grade against true passing sets last year. Barmore was the No. 12 overall player on the PFF Big Board.
 
PFF on Barmore:

Christian Barmore is the best interior defender in this draft, and he should have been a first-round draft pick. He is the only consistently high-level pass rusher from the interior in this class, posting a 90.3 PFF pass-rushing grade against true passing sets last year. Barmore was the No. 12 overall player on the PFF Big Board.

It's great value for bottom of the 2nd. But he's not a run stuffing DT, more like a pass rushing one (analysts even mentioned Suh as a poor man's comparison).
 
Taking him at 38 looks great
Nice draft so far...no doubt
 
According to Bedard, the real risk in Barmore seems to be tied to non football issues. I hope he has an agent who puts attention and resources into financial management, lifestyle, the friends he chooses, etc.

What I heard was interesting. And I am just passing on the information I received before he landed on the Patriots — there was no anti-New England bias.

“Yeah, we looked hard at him, could use a player like him … Barmore was not for us,” said one team.

What was the issue? I’m not going to divulge specific information to protect my sources and their relationships, but it boils down to this: there are a lot of questions about Barmore’s intelligence and how it might manifest itself once he’s out of the more controlling collegiate environment and has more freedom.

The team that had the late second-round grade on Barmore said that was the earliest they would have been comfortable with the risk.

“Alabama barely held him together,” said an NFC scout. “As a pro, he’s a real wild-card.”

I asked another scout if he had any specifics, and he said that just general accountability — getting to practice and class — was a struggle for him and Barmore has to be in a very tightly controlled environment, like Alabama has, to succeed. Barmore also was in a very heavy rotation — most players with his talent play upwards of 70 percent of snaps. His playing time just kept dropping to about a 50-50 split. That’s very unusual and sent scouts digging for answers.

“I think he’s going to be a big-time bust,” said one scout, again, before the Patriots picked him.

The Patriots have to know all this. Obviously, Nick Saban didn’t completely wave Belichick off Barmore, so there should be some comfort there with the risk.
Another Time Lord?
 
who was the 1st? because pretty much every where I looked they had him DT1

All the draft pubs have Nixon DT1. Granted the NFL clearly didn't since he didn't get drafted until the 5th round.
 
It's great value for bottom of the 2nd. But he's not a run stuffing DT, more like a pass rushing one (analysts even mentioned Suh as a poor man's comparison).
If he is anything like Suh 's dominance, our third down defense will be top 3. He is the missing piece in the third down defense imo. We have a lot of rush Ing LB/DE but no real big pass rush specialist.
 
This guy was the highest rated tackle in the draft. The Patriots gave up 537 trade value points
and got 530 trade value points in return.

But over the next 100 trades that would be 700 trade value points. Basically giving away a first round pick. o_O
 
I trust Saban to give BB his real opinion on his player. Most coaches pump up their guys to get them drafted. Saban give BB his honest pros and cons so we have the real data to make an opinion. I think he will be a beast in the Pats system and culture
I'm glad this came up because I have some doubts about Saban giving honest opinions on his own players. If it makes Saban's recruiting easier if he has players being drafted into the NYFL then I'm not sure that I trust him.
 
I'm glad this came up because I have some doubts about Saban giving honest opinions on his own players. If it makes Saban's recruiting easier if he has players being drafted into the NYFL then I'm not sure that I trust him.

BB and NS are best friends, coached together for years as young men, and obviously have the same personality. Saban might assess wrongly but he is not being dishonest with BB.
 


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