Patriots Not Expected to Be in the Mix for Lamar Jackson

[Patsgofor4]

Nothing is over until Coach Eric weighs in.



Forget Shefty and Ian and Tommy P and Mikey Reiss and Mo and Justin and Bob and Erica. Sources don’t get more legit than Coach Eric. What does he coach? Nobody knows, because nobody cares.

 

[Ian]

Nothing is over until Coach Eric weighs in.



Forget Shefty and Ian and Tommy P and Mikey Reiss and Mo and Justin and Bob and Erica. Sources don’t get more legit than Coach Eric. What does he coach? Nobody knows, because nobody cares.

I'll never understand why people enjoy being "that guy" - pushing false things because 100% of these accounts ultimately always disappear. Just a colossal waste of time with no chance of anything positive coming out of it.

 

[Joker]

I'll never understand why people enjoy being "that guy" - pushing false things because 100% of these accounts ultimately always disappear. Just a colossal waste of time with no chance of anything positive coming out of it.

every off season the past 2 decades at least we see these manufactured rumor/stories. I stopped paying attention. When something HAPPENS then I react.Must be getting old and cranky...

 

[ctpatsfan77]

every off season the past 2 decades at least we see these manufactured rumor/stories. I stopped paying attention. When something HAPPENS then I react.Must be getting old and cranky...

Before Fitzgerald there was Julius Peppers.

 

[1960Pats]

I wouldn't bash other Teams QB when they are worlds better than the one we have.

Lamar is better than Mac Jones. Whoopy ding.

At least you aren't comparing Lamar to Dan Marino. That comparison was downright laughable.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Before Fitzgerald there was Julius Peppers.

And before Peppers was HoFer Adam Seward...

 

[RobertWeathers]

Nothing is over until Coach Eric weighs in.



Forget Shefty and Ian and Tommy P and Mikey Reiss and Mo and Justin and Bob and Erica. Sources don’t get more legit than Coach Eric. What does he coach? Nobody knows, because nobody cares.

This guy it a yutz

 

[mike_usagisan]

Didn’t Kirk Cousins get all guaranteed money and no one is crying about his contract.

I feel like this is different because Lamar is a running QB and the shelf life is different for them. But, separate from Lamar, I don’t see why players shouldn’t be allowed to negotiate for all guaranteed contracts.

Hell, Russell Wilson didn’t get all guaranteed money and his contract is going to ruin the Broncos for a while. They said that about Goff and the Rams, too.

There’s this weird thing where the owners are pissed at what the Browns did and the talking point has become “guaranteed contracts are going to ruin football.” Bad owners ruin football more than the contracts do.

 

[Family]

Didn’t Kirk Cousins get all guaranteed money and no one is crying about his contract.

I feel like this is different because Lamar is a running QB and the shelf life is different for them. But, separate from Lamar, I don’t see why players shouldn’t be allowed to negotiate for all guaranteed contracts.

Hell, Russell Wilson didn’t get all guaranteed money and his contract is going to ruin the Broncos for a while. They said that about Goff and the Rams, too.

There’s this weird thing where the owners are pissed at what the Browns did and the talking point has become “guaranteed contracts are going to ruin football.” Bad owners ruin football more than the contracts do.

There was moaning about the Kirk Cousins contract when it was signed.

Look at trade/FA QB moves with big guarantees. R. Wilson/Watson/Cousins. How many of these worked out?

The Raiders gave Carr a fat contract, but little guaranteed, and they were able to cut bait/start over.

Because of the way Lamar plays, teams are looking at a likely limited shelf life. Combined with injury history, past playoff failures, and a little attitude with how Lamar handled this situation, I can understand why many teams are hesitant to tie up the next five years on him. This isn't Mahomes or Burrow.

I'm surprised so many NFL players have an attitude about the lack of interest.

 

[mike_usagisan]

There was moaning about the Kirk Cousins contract when it was signed.

Look at trade/FA QB moves with big guarantees. R. Wilson/Watson/Cousins. How many of these worked out?

The Raiders gave Carr a fat contract, but little guaranteed, and they were able to cut bait/start over.

Because of the way Lamar plays, teams are looking at a likely limited shelf life. Combined with injury history, past playoff failures, and a little attitude with how Lamar handled this situation, I can understand why many teams are hesitant to tie up the next five years on him. This isn't Mahomes or Burrow.

I'm surprised so many NFL players have an attitude about the lack of interest.

Well, I think the Vikes are pretty happy with Cousins and the jury is out on Watson just yet. Let's see how he does this year. Wilson has big guarantees, but there isn't an ongoing campaign about big guarantees, only fully-guaranteed ones. It's just weird to me.

I get it. Franchises don't want to be handcuffed to QBs who might show big declines. But I just don't think guaranteed contracts are the problem. It's long contracts for QBs who teams should realize are serious risks in the short term.

 

[Family]

Well, I think the Vikes are pretty happy with Cousins.

They've suffered/been stuck with him for years. This is only recent.

I get it. Franchises don't want to be handcuffed to QBs who might show big declines. But I just don't think guaranteed contracts are the problem. It's long contracts for QBs who teams should realize are serious risks in the short term.

Have you seen the cap/dead cap on RW and Watson? How can these teams operate? You can only do this with the elite/elite, which neither are.

Deshaun Watson | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2025, Watson will earn a base salary of $46,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $72,935,000 and a dead...

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Russell Wilson | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Russell Wilson signed a 1 year, $1,210,000 contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers, including an average annual salary of $1,210,000.

www.spotrac.com

 

[mike_usagisan]

They've suffered/been stuck with him for years. This is only recent.



Have you seen the cap/dead cap on RW and Watson? How can these teams operate? You can only do this with the elite/elite, which neither are.

Deshaun Watson | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Deshaun Watson signed a 5 year, $230,000,000 contract with the Cleveland Browns, including $44,965,000 signing bonus, $230,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $46,000,000. In 2025, Watson will earn a base salary of $46,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $72,935,000 and a dead...

www.spotrac.com

Russell Wilson | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Russell Wilson signed a 1 year, $1,210,000 contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers, including an average annual salary of $1,210,000.

www.spotrac.com

The jury is still out on Deshaun Watson and the Browns. I agree completely on Wilson. Again, the problem isn't the guaranteed part. The problem was it was a long contract for a declining QB. I have no idea how they're going to compete. I think the new reality is the $35m - $40m contracts we're seeing for Carr and Jones for the NYG.

But listen to what the owners are complaining about. They aren't complaining about Wilson's contract, because they don't care if the Broncos are bad for a while. They're complaining about Watson's contract because it's all-guaranteed and the talking point is that guaranteed contracts are bad for football.

When you really get down to it, it's a labor issue. The owners want to keep the unguaranteed contracts that they've had forever because it gives them more power than the players. Some powerful players are trying to buck that, and some have succeeded, and the owners are trying to hold the line and not have guaranteed contracts become the new standard, like in other sports where the players unions are more powerful.

 

[Family]

The jury is still out on Deshaun Watson and the Browns. I agree completely on Wilson. Again, the problem isn't the guaranteed part. The problem was it was a long contract for a declining QB. I have no idea how they're going to compete. I think the new reality is the $35m - $40m contracts we're seeing for Carr and Jones for the NYG.

But listen to what the owners are complaining about. They aren't complaining about Wilson's contract, because they don't care if the Broncos are bad for a while. They're complaining about Watson's contract because it's all-guaranteed and the talking point is that guaranteed contracts are bad for football.

When you really get down to it, it's a labor issue. The owners want to keep the unguaranteed contracts that they've had forever because it gives them more power than the players. Some powerful players are trying to buck that, and some have succeeded, and the owners are trying to hold the line and not have guaranteed contracts become the new standard, like in other sports where the players unions are more powerful.

I think the problem is the guaranteed part because you are stuck with the guy for 4 years or more.

The perfect example is Carr VS Wilson. Both older guys and LT contracts. The Raiders can move on with little cap hit, while Denver is stuck for three more years. Daniel Jones is another example where the team gave him 160/4, but only guaranteed half, so after two seasons they can get out for 18% of the money Denver is locked into in the same time with Wilson. No flexibility.

I think teams are mad because Watson received the best contract ever after being a bad actor and embarrassing the league. He was rewarded for the wrong reasons. Bad look for the NFL. Wilson is still viewed as a good guy. Lamar is sort of being a bad actor with sitting allegations, so I think it's pushing the same buttons.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I think the problem is the guaranteed part because you are stuck with the guy for 4 years or more.

Completely agree, but no one says they HAVE to guarantee it for four years. That's part of negotiating.

The perfect example is Carr VS Wilson. Both older guys and LT contracts. The Raiders can move on with little cap hit, while Denver is stuck for three more years. Daniel Jones is another example where the team gave him 160/4, but only guaranteed half, so after two seasons they can get out for 18% of the money Denver is locked into in the same time with Wilson. No flexibility.

Right, but if they were fully guaranteed, Carr's would be for two years and Wilson's for four. It's not that it's all-guaranteed, it's the rest of the contract.

I think teams are mad because Watson received the best contract ever after being a bad actor and embarrassing the league. He was rewarded for the wrong reasons. Bad look for the NFL. Wilson is still viewed as a good guy. Lamar is sort of being a bad actor with sitting allegations, so I think it's pushing the same buttons.

Maybe, but that doesn't seem to be the narrative I've been seeing. Granted it's probably the media trying to stir things up, but what I've been reading is that the owners are mad at the contract for Watson because it's all guaranteed. And they've come out and said that this was an outlier and we won't be negotiating all-guaranteed contracts. So when Jackson comes along and demands an all-guaranteed contract (among other things), they say no and it'll damage football if they give it to him.

 

[sb1]

Nothing is over until Coach Eric weighs in.



Forget Shefty and Ian and Tommy P and Mikey Reiss and Mo and Justin and Bob and Erica. Sources don’t get more legit than Coach Eric. What does he coach? Nobody knows, because nobody cares.

"Eric Shun". Say it out loud.

 

[sb1]

I'll never understand why people enjoy being "that guy" - pushing false things because 100% of these accounts ultimately always disappear. Just a colossal waste of time with no chance of anything positive coming out of it.

I love how an NFL related twitter account with a name like erection I mean "Eric Shun" gets a blue check mark these days. I think that name says all that needs to be said about that "source". Lol

 

[Patsgofor4]

"Eric Shun". Say it out loud.

Ha! I didn’t catch that.
I’m from the era of Porky’s and Mike Hunt (seeing full frontal for the first time as an 11-year-old was quite a thrill).

 

[Family]

Right, but if they were fully guaranteed, Carr's would be for two years and Wilson's for four. It's not that it's all-guaranteed, it's the rest of the contract.

Despite being reported 121M for 3 years, Carr's was guaranteed for only one season.

When you break it down, the guaranteed part of a contract is all that matters. The rest is salary cap manipulation.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Despite being reported 121M for 3 years, Carr's was guaranteed for only one season.

When you break it down, the guaranteed part of a contract is all that matters. The rest is salary cap manipulation.

You're right. That's absolutely the reality of the situation. But you always hear players (and some fans) complain about how the team isn't living up to their agreements when they cut players with years left on their contracts.

I don't really care because their agents should be explaining the reality to them, but I understand why players want to move toward guaranteed contracts and why owners don't.

 

[Real fan 02]

It appears we can put this speculation to bed:

Source: Patriots not expected to pursue Ravens QB Lamar Jackson

According to a league source, the Patriots aren't expected to go after Lamar Jackson.

www.masslive.com

Ian,

I've made mention on the forum. We need to be paying close attention to the Rodgers/jets situation. As if this all came to fruition it could be even tougher on us in the division. I'm sure the organization has had all kinds of internal discussions on free agency. However it ultimately comes down to if RK is going to spend to get talent. If we aren't going to add an elite WR then we best be solidify the CB position.. potentially facing Rodgers and Allen 2x a season. The jets always have played us tough, we can't beat the bills it seems and Miami always gives up problems.

I have never seen a division with 3 teams in the playoffs.. I have to hope something is brewing on our end...