OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[1960Pats]

Nice lie troll.

Joe Montana had a 98 rating playing for the 49ers, a 90.8 rating in all conference championship games.

His conference championship game record is 4-3.

Montana's career playoff passer rating is a 93.

All very impressive and Montana definitely deserves to be recognized as the 2nd best QB in the superbowl Era.

Brady being 10-4 in championship games outclasses Montana.

Also Montana's stats significantly dropped when he stopped playing behind an all pro online, which was allowed and did chop blocks, and had the GOAT Wr, to go along with a great RB. It was also a team that didn't have to lose elite players due to salary cap issues.

Montana is the 2nd best, but the 49ers had Walsh who created the west coast offense and is one of the GOAT HC and talent evaluator. He didn't look at combine numbers and 40 times like Belicheck does at Wr, because he drafted the slow Jerry Rice. Belicheck would have passed over Rice because he didn't check the measurables.

I saw them both. Brady is much better.

I used to think Unitas was 'it' but Brady now blows them all out of the water.

I feel blessed to have seen Brady play for my team. He fits right in with Russell (the best of them all), Orr, Ted and Bird. How's that for a 4fecta?

 

[1960Pats]

Phil Simms Super Bowl Rating - 150.9
Joe Montana Super Bowl Rating - 123.9

Looks guys, I can troll like MAC10 too.

The Boston Celtics with Bill Russell had 11 titles in 13 years. Holy crap that's good. Has there ever been any other team like that... anywhere?

 

[1960Pats]

It just doesn’t make sense to me why Bucs would side with Arians over Brady. This isn’t Tony Dungy who was instrumental in transforming that absolute joke of a team into a contender. This isn’t old Don Shula who sucked a.ss for a decade but the Dolphins were loyal to him for life. He’s been there all of 3 years. And the one year without Brady he went 7-9. He’s also freaking 70 years old. Boot his ass Bucs fans don’t give a crap about him!

I guess the real question is when did coaches become so important?

Maybe if Dan Marino had someone else instead of Shula he might have a ring or two. Nobody knows.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I saw them both. Brady is much better.

I used to think Unitas was 'it' but Brady now blows them all out of the water.

I feel blessed to have seen Brady play for my team. He fits right in with Russell (the best of them all), Orr, Ted and Bird. How's that for a 4fecta?

If he's "much better," he should have shown up against Eli Manning ...one of those games being the biggest game in NFL history btw.

 

[PatsWSB47]

If he's "much better," he should have shown up against Eli Manning ...one of those games being the biggest game in NFL history btw.

Brady's sacked picture from that game showed up in your signature you phoney. Why? Are you ever going to answer that or do you think people actually value anything you have to say on the subject?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady's sacked picture from that game showed up in your signature you phoney. Why? Are you ever going to answer that or do you think people actually value anything you have to say on the subject?

Perhaps if you'd bother to read what I wrote underneath that picture you'd understand...

 

[PatsWSB47]

Perhaps if you'd bother to read what I wrote underneath that picture you'd understand...

So you've been asked many times. Perhaps you can explain instead. I didn't see the signiture but several others have.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

So you've been asked many times. Perhaps you can explain instead. I didn't see the signiture but several others have.

Bummer

 

[Deus Irae]

Tom Brady adds fuel to his football future mystery - ProFootballTalk

 

[PatsWSB47]

Bummer

I'm calling bullshiit. I can see posting a picture in a thread with some commentary but to make that your signiture, especially with your long history of mocking Brady speaks volumes. Now you're pretending we all forgot that history and to this day your favorite thing to is gather every Brady mistake or failure so you can argue against his spot at the top. You are alone. No one agrees with you and everyone can see through you. I'd be embarrassed

 

[1960Pats]

Tom Brady adds fuel to his football future mystery - ProFootballTalk

I'm starting to feel that our Brady days aren't over after all.

 

[sb1]

If he's "much better," he should have shown up against Eli Manning ...one of those games being the biggest game in NFL history btw.

The defense lost the second Giants game not Brady. Also the first game and so did the HC.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The defense lost the second Giants game not Brady. Also the first game and so did the HC.

So Brady carried Belichick to 6 super bowl titles (your view), but when he loses a SB, it's someone else's fault? LOL

2007 - greatest offense in the history of the NFL up until then could only muster 14 points

2011 - only 17 points against the worst ranked pass D in the NFL

 

[sb1]

I'm calling bullshiit. I can see posting a picture in a thread with some commentary but to make that your signiture, especially with your long history of mocking Brady speaks volumes. Now you're pretending we all forgot that history and to this day your favorite thing to is gather every Brady mistake or failure so you can argue against his spot at the top. You are alone. No one agrees with you and everyone can see through you. I'd be embarrassed

It was the “17 points? That’s it?” quote from Brady before the game.

I wish he didn’t say that but I am sure he was just surprised by the question. Whatever it’s water under the bridge. Belichick has said some regrettable things too as have we all.

 

[sb1]

So Brady carried Belichick to 6 super bowl titles (your view), but when he loses a SB, it's someone else's fault? LOL

2007 - greatest offense in the history of the NFL up until then could only muster 14 points

2011 - only 17 points against the worst ranked pass D in the NFL

Brady walked off the field both times late in the 4th quarter with the lead. The defense blew it. Btw - Brady's passer rating in both games was a lot higher than Mac's rating was in the Bills playoff game.

Wickersham's book also talked about Bill relentlessly driving his team into the ground in 07 and didn't let them enjoy what was happening and the pressure from the HC caught up with the team in the end.

I never said Brady carried Belichick. I said with the exception of Super Bowl 53 Brady had more to do with winning those Super Bowls than the defense did. Also Bill lost Super Bowl 52 all by himself. Another QB instead of Brady and the Pats get blown right out of the building.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady walked off the field both times late in the 4th quarter with the lead. The defense blew it. Btw - Brady's passer rating in both games was a lot higher than Mac's rating was in the Bills playoff game.

Wickersham's book also talked about Bill relentlessly driving his team into the ground in 07 and didn't let them enjoy what was happening and the pressure from the HC caught up with the team in the end.

I never said Brady carried Belichick. I said with the exception of Super Bowl 53 Brady had more to do with winning those Super Bowls than the defense did. Also Bill lost Super Bowl 52 all by himself. Another QB instead of Brady and the Pats get blown right out of the building.

Even if Tyree and Manningham didn't make those super-human catches (Eli to Manningham was the greatest throw and catch in NFL history IMO), and Brady and the Pats won those games, Brady's stats in SB 42 would have been 266 yards, 1 TD, 82.5 rating, and 276 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, and 91 passer rating, respectively. Those are below what Brady is capable of.

I would argue that the defense won SB 36, 39, and 49 too. In SB 36, Brady's stats were 145 yards, 1 TD. The defense was relentless that game vs the greatest show on Turf. In SB 39, he was 236 yards, 2 TDs while the defense was great against the eagles with 4 sacks, 3 INTs (Brady also fumbled that game). And of course in SB 49, Brady threw two key picks and Butler had to make a great play in the end. So you have the defense being the main driver of SB 36, 39, 49, and 53, which is basically over half of Brady's super bowls.

 

[sb1]

Even if Tyree and Manningham didn't make those super-human catches (Eli to Manningham was the greatest throw and catch in NFL history IMO), and Brady and the Pats won those games, Brady's stats in SB 42 would have been 266 yards, 1 TD, 82.5 rating, and 276 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, and 91 passer rating, respectively. Those are below what Brady is capable of.

I would argue that the defense won SB 36, 39, and 49 too. In SB 36, Brady's stats were 145 yards, 1 TD. The defense was relentless that game vs the greatest show on Turf. In SB 39, he was 236 yards, 2 TDs while the defense was great against the eagles with 4 sacks, 3 INTs (Brady also fumbled that game). And of course in SB 49, Brady threw two key picks and Butler had to make a great play in the end. So you have the defense being the main driver of SB 36, 39, 49, and 53, which is basically over half of Brady's super bowls.

Still left the field both times with the lead. The defense gave it away both times.

Super Bowl 36 - defense gave up 427 yards of offense and Warner set a then-SB record for passing. Without Brady Patriots lose that one.
Super Bowl 39 - McNabb threw for 357 yards and a hobbled TO got 122 of those. Again without Brady Patriots lose that game.
Super Bowl 49 - Brady sliced up the Legion of Boom in the second half. Anything less and we probably have a repeat of the Super Bowl the year before with Manning and the Broncos.

The defense's contributions to those Super Bowls while significant are overstated by a lot.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Still left the field both times with the lead. The defense gave it away both times.

Super Bowl 36 - defense gave up 427 yards of offense and Warner set a then-SB record for passing. Without Brady Patriots lose that one.
Super Bowl 39 - McNabb threw for 357 yards and a hobbled TO got 122 of those. Again without Brady Patriots lose that game.
Super Bowl 49 - Brady sliced up the Legion of Boom in the second half. Anything less and we probably have a repeat of the Super Bowl the year before with Manning and the Broncos.

The defense's contributions to those Super Bowls while significant are overstated by a lot.

Super Bowl 36 - Pats D didn't allow Warner to didn't get into the red zone until late in the 4th quarter. Don't forget about Ty Law's iconic pick 6. Brady had 145 yards, dude.

Super Bowl 49 - Legion of Boom was not the same legion of boom as 2013. Browner was a Patriot and their starter at CB for that year, Jeremy Lane, went out early after he picked off Brady in the END ZONE. Plus Sherman banged up his arm badly in the NFCCG. Lastly, Cliff Avril, their pass rusher who was giving the Pats o-line fits went out with a concussion and Seattle did not have a strong pass rush afterwards. Seattle's super bowl winning defense in SB 48 and 49 were not even close to being the same. AND if you saw DYJ, you would know that it was Belichick's idea to employ a passing scheme of crossing routes to keep the Seattle D on their toes.

Super Bowl 53 - defense.

And I don't think Bill's defenses in those super bowl wins are overstated at all. If they gave out super bowl MVP awards to units and not individuals, the super bowl MVPs of SB 36 and 53 (at least)) would have been to the defense.

 

[PatsWSB47]

It was the “17 points? That’s it?” quote from Brady before the game.

I wish he didn’t say that but I am sure he was just surprised by the question. Whatever it’s water under the bridge. Belichick has said some regrettable things too as have we all.

Agreed. Like I said I can see that in a post but to make it your signiture accompanied by the rest of his 2 plus year history of negativity toward him makes his "debate" a joke

 

[sb1]

Florio says the Bucs tampered with Brady in 2020 - as in he was under contract with the Patriots? Say what?

Tom Brady is still "under contract," but only because of an effort to create cap space

Tuesday's media tour de force by Bucs coach Bruce Arians was aimed, apparently, at letting quarterback Tom Brady know that, since he's under contract to Tampa Bay for 2022, his options are to play for the Bucs or to play for no one.

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