OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[upstater1]

The media doesn't mean anything. They said Brady would not win it in 2017 the entire season and then he got 40+ votes.

The media is who votes.

 

[Tottie]

Bill will never pay for Adams. Or Godwin for that matter. Poor Mac. In this league with dynamic offenses galore, he will be feeding from the bottom of the barrel.

Both are crazy good but you are right BB wouldn't pay 20mil or more for a receiver.

 

[amfootball]

The media is who votes.

Not the jackals on the debate shows ...

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

If Rodgers has to throw to win he'll crumble based on his history and he seems to actually play as though he wants stats and MVPs. If he's down 2 scores in a big game with his face being constantly put in the dirt, he can't do it. He's the ultimate front runner. He shouldn't play much next week which means his stock won't go down but lets hope Taylor runs for 300 and steals it from him. You can bet that if the roles were reversed and Rodgers would get 40+ TDs and 5000 yards at 44 he would be automatic MVP.

When QBs throw more, they’re facing mainly nickel and dime defenses. There’s at least one extra defensive back if not two. Play-action is barely used. Rodgers rarely throws in that type of environment with the team abandoning the run. Brady does it all the time. In his career, Brady has 37 4th quarter comebacks when throwing 40+ attempts. Rodgers has 8. Those are the games where you need to carry the team. Brady had 4 of them through the 2002 season, half of Rodgers career total.

 

[amfootball]

Both are crazy good but you are right BB wouldn't pay 20mil or more for a receiver.

I wrote this on another forum but wanted to share here as well to get folks thoughts.

IMO, there has been a sea change in the QB position the last 5-7 years as the college concepts have come into the NFL. The QB position is now looked at as one where the QB has off-platform arm talent and also athletic ability to be a dual threat. A big reason why Mac was the 5th QB taken was because the QBs ahead of him were believed to possess the traits most important to today's game.

When you look at the top teams in the league right now - KC, Cincy, Tenn, Buffalo, GB, TB, Rams, Dallas - every single one of them with the exception of Tenn have dynamic offenses led by a top tier or elite QB. This has been the trend now for a few years. You are not going to see teams anymore led by primarily by defense and the run game in the final 8 anymore. This is in part because of how the offenses have changed in concert with the rules which makes the passing game criminal to defend.

So when it comes to Mac, you have to start looking through the lens of the NFL offenses and young QBs from the last 5 years to properly gauge Mac's development toward being a franchise QB in this league. In other words, how does he compare to Burrow, Herbert, Mahomes, Allen, Murray, Prescott. Those are the QBs to look at as those are the ones he has to compete with in today's NFL.

All of those guys are running high level offenses with dynamic play makers all over the field. The Patriots offense has got to catch up with those teams and quickly. I think the guys added this past off-season have been mixed at best with Bourne and Henry as the only 2 stand outs and both of them are B level players. Without more dynamic, A level play makers, Mac and this offense with always be playing at a disadvantage with a really small margin for error. IMO, that is where things have to change from a team perspective as well as Mac's development in concert with that.

Bill always prides himself on being one step ahead of the league but I fear he is lagging behind on where the NFL offenses are and what he will need to surround Mac with in order to beat the elite teams of the AFC.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Bill will never pay for Adams. Or Godwin for that matter. Poor Mac. In this league with dynamic offenses galore, he will be feeding from the bottom of the barrel.

Either way, I don’t think we have the money to sign a guy like that and rebuild our defense at the same time

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Rodgers is -400
Brady is +500

Rodgers is about 80% favorite.

Brady would need to do something big, like throw for 500 yards and break the single season record. Or a huge game combined with the Packers throwing away the game and finishing with the same record (14-3), would put them closer on paper. However, I think Rodgers will win. As I said a few weeks ago, Brady needed to win out and avoid a disastrous game. He got extremely unlucky, but voters often the QB with the best conference record.

The ridiculous thing is the Bucs have faced the #1 slate of defenses and have the #1 scoring offense, while the Packers have faced the #19 slate of defenses and have the #10 scoring offense.

 

[Kontradiction]

This isn’t showing up for those of us without an account. What is it?

An interview with his Uber driver (he took an Uber home after the game) describing his mood as being jubilant after the game. It’s Barstool so I’m sure it’s available on other mediums.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I heard Brady and AB went at it yesterday, long before Bayless mentioned it. Bucs fans saw it on TV--not sure why we're not seeing that exchange replayed

It was not shown on TV here south of Tampa. Re-watched in detail last night and no shot of Brady and AB together.

 

[Tottie]

Was Antonio Brown unable to play due to his ankle injury?

We know what happened after the crap hit the fan at MetLife Stadium on Sunday.

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This is what I was talking about yesterday with some people so focused on AB that they didn't even want to consider it. That said I'm not sure this is what happened and AB gets no benefit of the doubt. Today it sounds like he was pouting about Gronk which is unacceptable.

 

[venecol]

Brady has 3 wins this season when throwing 50+ times. Rodgers has 3 wins in his career when throwing 50+ times.

This season, Brady has thrown the ball 40+ times in eleven games. Rodgers has thrown 40+ times in one game. Over their careers, Brady is 64-33 in such games. Rodgers is 19-29.

Rodgers has never carried a team like Brady. This year is no exception.

Absolutely. Brady is 45 from Stafford's attempts record in a season (727) and 15 from Brees's completions record in a season (471), when they were 24 & 37 yo respectively. Rodgers is #49 and #36 on these lists.

Brady is 487 yards from Manning's passing yds record (5,477). This one will be harder to reach, and he's already #3 on the list, but he can certainly pass his own record of 5,235 yards. Rodgers is #50 on this list.

Brady also has back to back 40 TD seasons in his 40s. Rodgers never had 40 TD seasons in a row.

To say Brady's #s are higher because he passes more is flat out ridiculous. QBs are supposed to pass.

Rodgers seems to care more about his completion % and is risk averse. Not sure why voters would promote risk averse QBs in a passing league. It's just so odd.

 

[VectorPrime]

Was Antonio Brown unable to play due to his ankle injury?

We know what happened after the crap hit the fan at MetLife Stadium on Sunday.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

This is what I was talking about yesterday with some people so focused on AB that they didn't even want to consider it. That said I'm not sure this is what happened and AB gets no benefit of the doubt. Today it sounds like he was pouting about Gronk which is unacceptable.

Florio was calling for him to be cut 2 weeks ago.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

To say Brady's #s are higher because he passes more is flat out ridiculous. QBs are supposed to pass.

There’s a desperate incel troll on here who claims efficiency isn’t affected by volume. I’m not sure why the Packers don’t just throw 100% of the time

 

[Guts]

Absolutely. Brady is 45 from Stafford's attempts record in a season (727) and 15 from Brees's completions record in a season (471), when they were 24 & 37 yo respectively. Rodgers is #49 and #36 on these lists.

Brady is 487 yards from Manning's passing yds record (5,477). This one will be harder to reach, and he's already #3 on the list, but he can certainly pass his own record of 5,235 yards. Rodgers is #50 on this list.

Brady also has back to back 40 TD seasons in his 40s. Rodgers never had 40 TD seasons in a row.

To say Brady's #s are higher because he passes more is flat out ridiculous. QBs are supposed to pass.

Rodgers seems to care more about his completion % and is risk averse. Not sure why voters would promote risk averse QBs in a passing league. It's just so odd.

Tom does have a couple Touchdown throws this season from the 5yard line or less, but it always seem to me that Rodgers throws there 90 percent of the time. Which helps his TD count a lot. If it works don't break it obviously I would do the same, but take those TDs out and I bet you the gap is even wider from Tom to Rodgers in touchdowns.

 

[upstater1]

Aaron Rodgers deserves the MVP. Look what he did vs SF earlier this year. He leads his team to victory down 28-27 with 37 seconds left and no timeouts. I can't remember the last time Brady won a game getting the ball with so little time remaining...I've seen him do it with 2 mins and perhaps even 1 minute, but less than 40 seconds?

Brady has thrown TDs in the final seconds for wins, not just FGs. I mean, Brandin Cooks against the Texans, Kenbrell Thompkins against the Saints, these things are seared into my brain.

 

[amfootball]

Jete fan faces. Priceless.

Tom Brady & Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Full game winning drive against the New York Jets​

 

[Tottie]

Tom does have a couple Touchdown throws this season from the 5yard line or less, but it always seem to me that Rodgers throws there 90 percent of the time. Which helps his TD count a lot. If it works don't break it obviously I would do the same, but take those TDs out and I bet you the gap is even wider from Tom to Rodgers in touchdowns.

Alot of this is not Rodgers himself (except the fact he can win big games) but the media depiction of him. What they do works and he's very good at it. It works until he needs to lift his team on his shoulders but maybe he won't have to with that defense. The fact that he's made out to be a golden god when he can't even make the SB is what creates the anger the same way that the ridiculous coverage Brady gets does the same.

 

[upstater1]

Not the jackals on the debate shows ...

I find Ryan Clark and Dan Orlovsky to be a lot more creditable than 99.9% of the local NFL reporters. I mean, Gregg Doyel covers the Colts.

 

[Guts]

Brady has thrown TDs in the final seconds for wins, not just FGs. I mean, Brandin Cooks against the Texans, Kenbrell Thompkins against the Saints, these things are seared into my brain.

My man Mac10 is just an instigator here. Sometimes he does talk about football and the back and forth is cool, but mostly he likes to put Brady down for some weird reason

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

To me, this says everything about the situation. I heard the interview and thought Gronk was absolutely needling AB with these comments. It seems clear that, whatever AB claims, there’s more to this…it’s not something you can prove, but the players think it’s an attitude problem. Arians told Peter King that AB “had that look in his eyes” that he hadn’t seen in years. None of us were there, but it sounds like AB’s body language and defiance was more of a “**** you” and wasn’t perceived as a genuine injury complaint. Arians has been around for a long time. I highly doubt he misread the situation and just blew up at an injured player…said player just coincidentally happened to be Mr. Big Chest.

Rob Gronkowski Had Brutally Honest Response To AB Question

Tampa Bay Buccaneers TE Rob Gronkowski had a very "Gronk" response when asked about Antonio Brown's early exit on Sunday.

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