OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[SHOWTIME15]

He is 0-3 in the playoffs. Raising his game is not just based on not throwing picks but also making the plays to win the game.

He hasn't been horrible in the playoffs..900 yards, 4 TDs, 3 INTs, 63% completion %, 88 passer rating. You can't pin Detroit's failures on him.

 

[amfootball]

He hasn't been horrible in the playoffs..900 yards, 4 TDs, 3 INTs, 63% completion %, 88 passer rating. You can't pin Detroit's failures on him.

Obviously not good enough as he is 0-3. Kind of the point. He has not elevated in the playoffs. He does have a stacked team this year though and IMO the best coach in the game so he could definitely change things this year. I just doubt he will but will be happy for him if he does.

 

[amfootball]

I really like Lamar's fire. Good for him being upset by the lack of offensive production.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Obviously not good enough as he is 0-3. Kind of the point. He has not elevated in the playoffs. He does have a stacked team this year though and IMO the best coach in the game so he could definitely change things this year. I just doubt he will but will be happy for him if he does.

again you are putting all of Detroit’s playoff woes on him…

 

[amfootball]

again you are putting all of Detroit’s playoff woes on him…

Not at all. But the play of the QB is the most determinative factor for a team winning.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Not at all. But the play of the QB is the most determinative factor for a team winning.

He had one really bad loss in the playoffs in 2016 when the lions could only put up 6 points. In the other two games, he was able to lead his team to 20 and 28 points, respectively. Again, based on that, it's really tough to say "Stafford can't elevate his game" in the playoffs. Every QB, including Brady, has to have a good team and coaching around him to win.

 

[amfootball]

He had one really bad loss in the playoffs in 2016 when the lions could only put up 6 points. In the other two games, he was able to lead his team to 20 and 28 points, respectively. Again, based on that, it's really tough to say "Stafford can't elevate his game" in the playoffs. Every QB, including Brady, has to have a good team and coaching around him.

This is his best chance in terms of the best team he has ever had and best coach. We'll see if he can do it.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Sounds like resting Godwin the max amount of time was part of the plan.

Bruce Arians hopes Chris Godwin practices Friday, plays Sunday

Buccaneers wide receiver Chris Godwin has missed practice the last two days because of a foot injury, but the team isn't ruling him out of Sunday's game against the Washington Football Team.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[Deus Irae]

One thing that I've found is that this team's receivers seem to do a lot of stumbling when they run. I don't know why it happens, but it's been a precursor to a lot of the ankle-type injuries.

 

[VectorPrime]

Bucs accomplished something incredible by managing to come out of a bye week less healthy than they went in.

 

[Haterproof]

The "IT" factor is hard to quantify. On my daughter's varsity soccer team there are 2 players - one is a forward, the other is an up mid-fielder. The mid fielder can beat anyone off the dribble, has a gorgeous shot from outside the box. Skill wise - she's the best. The forward is a smaller girl who also is very good off the dribble and has a decent shot but her vision and ability to make the right pass in the box elevates the entire team as pretty much every scoring op they have is a result of her movement, passing, vision. I find it fascinating as everyone on the field feels better when the forward is on the field vs the high talented mid-fielder.

Stafford is a guy that just can't seem to raise his game in high stakes moments. He never appears nervous to me but just unable to slow the game enough to make the right decision. His two picks vs the Titans were classic Stafford IMO which is why I don't trust him even with this talented team. That being said, I think McVay is the best coach in the game so if anyone can get Stafford to settle and be THAT guy it is him. It is going to be tough as they are most likely looking at being the WC like Tampa was last year which means 4 road games and of course the fans will be in full force this year. I actually like Stafford and am not rooting against him by any means. My first choice for a team to make it out of the NFC if it's not Tampa is the Rams because I really like McVay and also Donald.

It is really going to be a fun last half of the season into the playoffs. All of these teams are vulnerable IMO.

That Packers/Rams game in a few weeks @ Lambeau should be an amazing game with Playoff implications!

 

[carmelo15]

Bucs accomplished something incredible by managing to come out of a bye week less healthy than they went in.

Like they played 2 games in the bye week with nobody noticing

 

[SHOWTIME15]

That Packers/Rams game in a few weeks @ Lambeau should be an amazing game with Playoff implications!

If Rodgers even plays lol...who knows with him

 

[Pats1971]

He had one really bad loss in the playoffs in 2016 when the lions could only put up 6 points. In the other two games, he was able to lead his team to 20 and 28 points, respectively. Again, based on that, it's really tough to say "Stafford can't elevate his game" in the playoffs. Every QB, including Brady, has to have a good team and coaching around him to win.

Well yeah because most of the time he didnt make the playoffs. I mean the fact the guy has been in the league that long and has 3 playoff games is pretty telling. Stafford has had good teams around him and didnt elevate anything. When you say Brady has to have....well, no...I am not sure if this will come to a surprise to you but....Brady is better than Stafford. Because what it looks like is Stafford "has" to have something, not Brady. A bad year for Brady is 11 wins and not making it to the superbowl, no matter what was around him. At one point stafford has had top 5 defenses and has had hall of fame receiver.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Well yeah because most of the time he didnt make the playoffs. I mean the fact the guy has been in the league that long and has 3 playoff games is pretty telling. Stafford has had good teams around him and didnt elevate anything. When you say Brady has to have....well, no...I am not sure if this will come to a surprise to you but....Brady is better than Stafford. Because what it looks like is Stafford "has" to have something, not Brady. A bad year for Brady is 11 wins and not making it to the superbowl, no matter what was around him. At one point stafford has had top 5 defenses and has had hall of fame receiver.

No one is comparing Stafford to Brady, dipwad. The issue is whether Stafford can elevate his game in the playoffs. I merely said the sample size (3 games on the Lions) on him is too small. He's a pretty good QB, so let's see what he can do in this year's playoffs. If he fails (getting bounced early while playing on a stacked Rams team), then we can agree he is a playoff choker. And yes, Brady too has to have good pieces around him. Name me one time Brady won the Super Bowl without help from his defense or playmakers on offense.

 

[amfootball]

No one is comparing Stafford to Brady, dipwad. The issue is whether Stafford can elevate his game in the playoffs. I merely said the sample size (3 games on the Lions) on him is too small. He's a pretty good QB, so let's see what he can do in this year's playoffs. If he fails (getting bounced early while playing on a stacked Rams team), then we can agree he is a playoff choker. And yes, Brady too has to have good pieces around him. Name me one time Brady won the Super Bowl without help from his defense or playmakers on offense.

12 year career in Detroit, his record 74-90-1.
0-3 in the posteason.
He has been a career loser in every sense of the word for over a decade. If you want to chalk everything up to Detroit being a poor organization, that's fine. But he had some very good teams in that span along with a Hof receiver.
His talent is unquestioned, but everything else is a question with a ton of losing to back it up.
Maybe he can change that narrative this season. As Deus said, his only quality win was the Bucs. He got thrashed by the Cards and threw 2 pick sizes to lose to the Titans. That does not bode well for those looking for some sort of transformation this year but for sure he has his best op. Let's see if he can cash in.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

12 year career in Detroit, his record 74-90-1.
0-3 in the posteason.
He has been a career loser in every sense of the word for over a decade. If you want to chalk everything up to Detroit being a poor organization, that's fine. But he had some very good teams in that span along with a Hof receiver.
His talent is unquestioned, but everything else is a question with a ton of losing to back it up.
Maybe he can change that narrative this season. As Deus said, his only quality win was the Bucs. He got thrashed by the Cards and threw 2 pick sizes to lose to the Titans. That does not bode well for those looking for some sort of transformation this year but for sure he has his best op. Let's see if he can cash in.

Now you are changing the goal posts. You go from saying he isn't a good playoff caliber quarterback to saying he's had a mediocre career. Those are two different things. And as far as "that does not bode well for those looking for some sort of transformation this year," you might want to look at the stats again. Stafford is statistically a top 3 quarterback. He's having the best year of his career so far. I would say the change of scenery for him has done wonders.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Now you are changing the goal posts. You go from saying he isn't a good playoff caliber quarterback to saying he's had a mediocre career. Those are two different things. And as far as "that does not bode well for those looking for some sort of transformation this year," you might want to look at the stats again. Stafford is statistically a top 3 quarterback. He's having the best year of his career so far. I would say the change of scenery for him has done wonders.

This was a big thing for you last year about the Bucs.

Matthew Stafford: Record against winning teams

When Matthew Stafford entered the NFL as the first overall pick in 2009, the Detroit Lions were in a deep rebuild. Over the years, Stafford evolved into one of the league’s most talented and toughest

www.sportsandfitnessdigest.com

Every QB will struggle to win even .500, but this is almost impossibly low. In Detroit, he was 66-23 in games against teams that didn’t finish with a winning record. Before dismissing this as something about the Lions, etc, consider just how gigantic that split is:

66-23
8-67

Nowhere near the norm. It’s the closest stat that exists for evidence of a front runner who consistently crumbles against higher competition. This guy points out that this year is the same story.

Deadspin | Matthew Stafford is still the same QB he was in Detroit

Deadspin | Matthew Stafford is still the same QB he was in Detroit

deadspin.com

 

[Deus Irae]

His talent is unquestioned, but everything else is a question with a ton of losing to back it up.

Yeah, it's tough to give an argument against that. As long as the talent is acknowledged, as well as the fact that he spent his career playing in the suckfest that is the Lions, there's really not much more that can be said in his defense right now. It's nut cutting time for Stafford.

 

[Pats1971]

No one is comparing Stafford to Brady, dipwad. The issue is whether Stafford can elevate his game in the playoffs. I merely said the sample size (3 games on the Lions) on him is too small. He's a pretty good QB, so let's see what he can do in this year's playoffs. If he fails (getting bounced early while playing on a stacked Rams team), then we can agree he is a playoff choker. And yes, Brady too has to have good pieces around him. Name me one time Brady won the Super Bowl without help from his defense or playmakers on offense.

So Brady has to win a superbowl with nobody else on the field? Interesting concept. I guess I can make a case for every NFL QB ever being all timers just on the wrong team then. By the way, you said nobody compared him to Brady, when you literally compared him to Brady in the post in a brady forum. Before you call someone names, at least make sure you didnt actually do what you said you didnt.