Joey007
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I didn't see either on your listAikman belongs.
Bradshaw gets dissed because at the beginning his team won in spite of him but the last 2 he earned.
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Bradshaw gets dissed because at the beginning his team won in spite of him but the last 2 he earned.
My list wasn't top 10 since 1978I didn't see either on your list
Still, I feel like there would be a spot for them based on your criteria, which is a bit different from mine but regardless. Based on your criteria, 7 rings combined would warrant spots for them.My list wasn't top 10 since 1978
When it comes down to it, history judges NFL quarterbacks on ONE major category.
Is Dan Fouts often mentioned among the league's most legendary quarterbacks?
What is the one thing that's said about Dan Marino every time his name is brought up?
Do people talk a lot about Joe Montana's passer rating or pro bowl selections?
Do you happen to know the statistical prowess or all-pro award count for Bart Starr, Otto Graham, or Roger Staubach?
Everything else is essentially a footnote. It's all about the ring count. Unless you are trolling around comments sections looking for negativity, you'll find a near unanimous consensus that Brady is the greatest QB ever, and this is less than a year removed from his BS suspension.
I agree that rings are usually given a very importance when judging QBs. But it shouldn't be just that : no way Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better quarterbacks than Marino, Tarkenton or Fouts.
Fair enough, but should Belichick's assertion that Paul Brown is the greatest coach in football history also be put into perspective by that logic?Otto Graham actually won 7 championships, he made it to 10. And 4 of those championships were in the AAFC which was vastly inferior to the NFL. He only has 3 NFL championships. Not trying to knock him, just putting things into perspective.
I'd put Peyton around 6th all time behind Brady, Montana, Starr, Graham, and Elway. Like Marino, most of Mannings seasons fell short in the playoffs when playing more complete football teams with strong defenses. Peyton never had a defense in Indy. That '06 defense that some might argue was "very good" was the 7th worst defense at stopping the run - in all of NFL history!
Ultimately Indy's front office failed him by failing to build a more balanced and multi-dimensional team around him - on both offense and defense. Bill Polian is to blame for this.
At the Very Least, both Brees AND Rodgers are better than the Fivehead in the above list. I would also be willing to listen to arguments in favor of Warren Moon ahead of the entitled hillbilly.
Otto Graham actually won 7 championships, he made it to 10. And 4 of those championships were in the AAFC which was vastly inferior to the NFL. He only has 3 NFL championships. Not trying to knock him, just putting things into perspective.
Rodgers isn't better than Manning.
Manning has more comebacks from down 9+ points in the 2nd half against the Patriots(off the top of my head 2006 AFCCG and 2009) than Rodgers has in his career.
Rodgers isn't better than Manning.
Manning has more comebacks from down 9+ points in the 2nd half against the Patriots(off the top of my head 2006 AFCCG and 2009) than Rodgers has in his career.
Aikman belongs.
Bradshaw gets dissed because at the beginning his team won in spite of him but the last 2 he earned.
No it's not that hard you just have to be able to evaluate.Aikman belongs where? I was a young teen when the Cowboys were winning but the biggest name from that cowboys era was Emit Smith.
Its actually really difficult to rank the all time greats. With the exception of Brady who has done it all and every which way. And has won more than any other player in history.
Football is such a team game to the 10th degree, other players directly effect performance.. whether they block or catch for you. Its really difficult to quantify but Brady has the ability to beat you with a sub par O line and a crappy defense and still at least make it to the AFC Championship.
Aikman belongs where? I was a young teen when the Cowboys were winning but the biggest name from that cowboys era was Emit Smith.
Its actually really difficult to rank the all time greats. With the exception of Brady who has done it all and every which way. And has won more than any other player in history.
Football is such a team game to the 10th degree, other players directly effect performance.. whether they block or catch for you. Its really difficult to quantify but Brady has the ability to beat you with a sub par O line and a crappy defense and still at least make it to the AFC Championship.
Yes he is; and so is Drew Brees.Rodgers isn't better than Manning...