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[SVN]

couldnt have said it any better

 

[slash83]

Like I said before Matt Patricia is not doing the game planning alone. Bill is the one dictating the game plan. Patricia is just calling plays

Play design or calling the right plays at the right time, both are issues I’m not sure which is worse?

 

[Jlaff]

So Mac want to throw the ball all over the field. So the approach at the beginning of the season was to please Mac and it was a disaster. If Mac is better the last few is because they came back to the quick game.

We are going nowhere with this guy cut bait now instead of losing 5 years.

Doesn't really make sense when his line is falling apart in front of him.

 

[slash83]

couldnt have said it any better

I’m glad he’s calling out the staff, coaches have been the main issue dating back to mini camp.

 

[goheels22002]

While the Bills were grinding out that nine-minute drive in the first half, I swear on my mother's grave that God spoke these words to me:

"Here's the plan: Matt Patricia and Joe Judge switch jobs with Bailey Zappe and Mac Jones. Mac and Bailey call the plays and build their offense around naked bootlegs. Line goes left, Matt goes right and vice versa. Matt goes on IR. In comes Joe Judge. Line goes right, Joe goes left and vice versa. It called the "Hair of the Dog that Bit You" offense."

 

[SVN]

Game Observations: Eight Takeaways From the Patriots Loss to the Bills on Thursday Night Football

The Bills controlled play once again in an 24-10 win at Gillette Stadium.

www.patriots.com

2. On the Offensive Coaching: Patriots Quick-Game Passing Plan Backfires, Play Sequencing Still an Issue, and Repeat Plays That Better Defenses Sniff Out
Patriots quarterback Mac Jones told reporters that the Patriots game plan was to rely on quick passing concepts aimed at taking what Buffalo's defense gave them and forcing the Bills to tackle in space.
On the surface, you can understand why the coaching staff thought this would be effective. The Bills are a zone-heavy coverage system that plays out of two-high shells, meaning it's tough for receivers to uncover on downfield concepts. Plus, the Pats were down to their fourth-string right tackle, and Buffalo ranks near the bottom of the league in missed tackle rate this season.
However, the problem was that the Patriots lack dangerous ball carriers outside of running back Rhamondre Stevenson and, as we found out, Marcus Jones. Without true catch-and-run talent, the only 20-plus yard play the Pats generated was Jones's touchdown.
Eventually, as the quarterback said, Patricia adjusted to call more downfield concepts. But it was too little too late, as the Patriots were already trailing 24-7 at that point in the game.
Along with the game plan, there are still sequencing issues and, based on our live viewing, repeat passing plays that defenses are sniffing out on third down. When you play an NFC opponent on a short week, the Vikings might need more study time or institutional knowledge of your scheme to anticipate specific play calls. But the Bills know you, and if you're going to be that simple offensively, you better execute at a high level, which the Patriots did not do on Thursday night.
As for the play sequencing, New England's lack of early-down aggression was puzzling, with only five play-action passes in our live charting. One example was a three-play following Buffalo's punt on their opening drive of the second half. Following a quick pass into the flat, the Pats gained 24 yards on three-straight Stevenson runs. But the positive yards resulted more from Stevenson creating yards after contact than well-blocked plays by the line.
Instead of recognizing how they were successful on the ground and building off that success with play-action, Patricia called a third-straight first-and-ten run that lost four yards. The situation was begging for under-center play-action, but it wasn't called, and now you're behind the sticks.
The Pats offensive talent and quarterback are not on par with the Bills. But they're trending toward the worst offense we've seen in New England in nearly 30 years. As we saw in Mac's rookie season, they're more talented than that. The fact that it's this bad is on the coaching.

 

[sb1]

“If it doesn’t work out blame me”
—BB in September on hiring Patricia as playcaller

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Doesn't really make sense when his line is falling apart in front of him.

A better qb will work around that. If the only way your qb is good is if he has 6s to throw every play and no defender near him the it’s not good. There are fewer good OL than bad OL in the NFL. At some point Mac needs to deal with it and he can’t.

At some point you have to make plays. And I think Mac is not helping the OL either. Can’t see the field, hold the ball too long, missing open receiver.

In my opinion, it’s not a coincidence that the two best game the OL had was when Zappe was on the field.

Mac needs what he had at Alabama to be productive. No dlineman closer than 3 yards, receiver open by 5 yards.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Everything that is happening on offense come from the fact that Bill has almost no confidence in Mac Jones. When they need to be agressive on offense they aren’t because they don’t trust Mac.

Honestly, I would be stunned if Mac is our QB next year. I think Bill is close to the end and want to win something before he retires and I think he will go the route of a veteran QB next year because he think Mac is not the guy and doesn’t want to wait 5 years for him to develop and be average.

 

[slash83]

Everything that is happening on offense come from the fact that Bill has almost no confidence in Mac Jones. When they need to be agressive on offense they aren’t because they don’t trust Mac.

Honestly, I would be stunned if Mac is our QB next year. I think Bill is close to the end and want to win something before he retires and I think he will go the route of a veteran QB next year because he think Mac is not the guy and doesn’t want to wait 5 years for him to develop and be average.

What a dumb post Jesus. Yeah let’s ignore the joke of a play caller and an absolutely putrid offensive line outside of Onwenu. But yeah please continue to grace us with your words of wisdom.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

What a dumb post Jesus. Yeah let’s ignore the joke of a play caller and an absolutely putrid offensive line outside of Onwenu. But yeah please continue to grace us with your words of wisdom.

if you think that without that Mac will turn from a pumpkin to a princess then continue to watch fairy tales in your fantasy world

 

[slash83]

if you think that without that Mac will turn from a pumpkin to a princess then continue to watch fairy tales in your fantasy world

It’ll look like a functional NFL offense, not a pathetic joke.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I'm not surprised.

This team got marginally better from last year, but added Patricia to run the offense. So Mac Jones would naturally look worse (he isn't that good, but a better scheme would mask his flaws).

Oh yeah, and all that "Patriot Way" stuff was CLEARLY because of Brady. Notice how sloppy, uundisciplined, and unclutch we've been since Brady has left?

The amount of penalties, cowardly decisions, lazy effort, and untimely mistakes is crazy.

But again, I'm not surprised.

Absolute winner
In the last Seasons we came out flat undisciplined as hell.
Everyone wondered what happened and how this is possible from a patriots team
Brady is not the qb anymore

 

[Ladypatsfan]

I'm glad that I fell asleep. I woke up to see Allen running his mouth. How bad was it guys?

 

[Lagaffe_07]

It’ll look like a functional NFL offense, not a pathetic joke.

You put a better QB in there and it’ll look like a functional offense.

It’s not a coincidence that against bad defense it looked like a functional offense. It looked functional against Detroit, Cleveland and the Vikings.

When the opposition get tougher Mac is not good enough and need everyone around him to pick him up. He needs great coaching, a perfect pocket and receiver being open by at least 2 yards. At some point when you don’t have that, a franchise QB needs to elevate the players around him and Mac is not doing that.

You can win games with Mac Jones when you play lesser teams no doubt but we will never go anywhere significant with him. Bill isn’t even sure Mac is the guy otherwise the Zappe situation would have never happened.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Does Zappe have better pocket mobility and awareness than Mac? Rhetorical question. Yes, he does. Therefore, he likely would have been better than 10 points tonight.

Mac is fine when everything is perfect around him.

This never happens
The words bourne said that mac is running around and you can’t expect him to make plays exactly shows a problem with mac
He needs a clean pocket to be able to throw accurate

Allen showed yesterday he can throw on the run really accurate and has a laser arm

We need another qb than mac, a new OC, new QB coach, two new OT because wynn and brown are not good

People say brown playes injured yeah but von Miller out and brown used cut blocks in our own 5-10 yard line which is just dumb and has nothing to do with illness

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

This never happens
The words bourne said that mac is running around and you can’t expect him to make plays exactly shows a problem with mac
He needs a clean pocket to be able to throw accurate

Allen showed yesterday he can throw on the run really accurate and has a laser arm

We need another qb than mac, a new OC, new QB coach, two new OT because wynn and brown are not good

People say brown playes injured yeah but von Miller out and brown used cut blocks in our own 5-10 yard line which is just dumb and has nothing to do with illness

This ain't Alabama's offensive line

 

[masterbouncer]

positives,
the Pats forced a punt, yeah
remained close at least in the 1Q
haven't conceded 50 burger
Schooler is an elite special teamer
Rham is a top 5 RB in the league right now

rest ist as usual, nothing new and will remain the same unless some major things will change, offense is the worst in the league
but hey the Pats have won their 2 SBs this year vs Jets

hope Kraft gives BB a hard one on this crap with coaches that obviously fail in what they are doing whether its conceding 50 points in a SB as DC or being hated by the complete squad as HC, don't want to see Judge, Patricia, McD or any other failed coach back at the Pats, get some fresh new faces or hang it up BB

 

[DarrylS]

First time ever turned off game at 1/2 time.. I was embarrassed to see how poorly they performed in all phases of the game; penalties, bonehead plays, crappy play calling, execution, bad tackling.. need I go on??

BB needs to blow this whole thing up particularly on the coaching side.
Put Patricia in an Ernie Adams type role.
Put Judge somewhere, not sure where or let him go.
Elevate Jerrod Mayo to Ass't HC, as heir apparent to BB
Find a great O coordinator Bill O'B?? Soon to be fired Josh?? Caley?? Or someone from another organization.
Find a QB coach
Find a O Line coach..

BB also needs to consider retirement, I have always defended him, but not sure I still can.. after years of excellence, now we are faced with less than mediocre Pats football.