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I dunno if it's fair to say that someone's resting on their laurels when they arguably reach the pinnacle of their profession then stay there.
I don't see why we can't just all admit that Brady is the best QB ever, Manning's first coach was Mary Shelley, and TFB's schlong is most likely twice the size of Manning's.
There's no doubt that TFB is the GOAT (not that goat). As for his,ummm, size.....I'll ask Gisele when i see her tonight
This is false. You can prove an opinion right or wrong based on facts. Whether or not you want to admit the truth is another story. You, clearly, have no intention of admitting the truth. You'd rather sit there with your fingers in your ears going "I'm right and you're wrong" than actually have a meaningful discussion. And you've proven that in this thread.
I don't see why we can't just all admit that Brady is the best QB ever, Manning's first coach was Mary Shelley, and TFB's schlong is most likely twice the size of Manning's.
Apparently, you didn't have the time to read the post you quoted, either. In it, I said that Manning had a perfect passer rating of 158.3 in a playoff game.
Look, everyone, you can bring up so many different variables. There are so many different things to it. The so-called experts don't agree that Manning is more skilled than Brady or that it's the other way around. On a Patriots board, there is a clear answer. On a Colts board, the answer is just as clear, only it's the opposite answer. It's an opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...they're like ass-holes, everyone's got one.
I'd take either one of these guys, but if I had my choice, I'd take Manning. I think he is more skilled than Brady...by how large a margin I couldn't say. Probably not my much. They are two different people and two different types of QB...You can respect that or not, and it wouldn't be any skin off my teeth. This has been an ongoing debate for a reason. Like most other people, the only proof I need are my own two eyes. I've been watching football for 30 years, and I know what I'm looking at.
I can respect it if other people think Brady is more skilled, and I expect the same courtesy in return when I choose Manning.
You always have to keep in mind that these opinions are something that you can't prove. That's why nobody is going to win the argument.
I did read the post that you made. The point that I'm making is that it's completely wrong. Manning didn't pass for 158.3 in the playoffs because Brady currently holds the best passer rating in the playoffs which is 141.4 so Manning obviously didn't pass for a 158.3 rating in the playoffs.
Manning's first coach was Mary Shelley
'Decent trolls' is a bit unfair.
I think its a shame that alot of posters have such a low tolerance to fans from other teams.
Idiots like 'Joker' have no place on this forum - chest thumping , trash talking and only because he knows 99% of the posters on this forum follow the same team as him.
We have alot of knowledgeable people on this forum - we also have people like Deus Irae -if he has made a post that hasnt dripped with a patronizing, condescending, holier-than-thou attitude...well, I haven't seen it.
I know, that as Patriot fans, we come in for alot of nonsensical abuse (Spygate, Belicheat) that borders on the ******ed - but its no excuse for the arrogant attitude to visitors from other teams that is all to prevalent on this board.
This is false. You can prove an opinion right or wrong based on facts. Whether or not you want to admit the truth is another story. You, clearly, have no intention of admitting the truth. You'd rather sit there with your fingers in your ears going "I'm right and you're wrong" than actually have a meaningful discussion. And you've proven that in this thread.
actually, if you read back a few pages (i wouldnt bother.lol.) feldspar admitted that his numbers were wrong
I did read the post that you made. The point that I'm making is that it's completely wrong. Manning didn't pass for 158.3 in the playoffs because Brady currently holds the best passer rating in the playoffs which is 141.4 so Manning obviously didn't pass for a 158.3 rating in the playoffs.
I did read the post that you made. The point that I'm making is that it's completely wrong. Manning didn't pass for 158.3 in the playoffs because Brady currently holds the best passer rating in the playoffs which is 141.4 so Manning obviously didn't pass for a 158.3 rating in the playoffs.
That is kind of my point. He didn't reach the pinnacle of his profession until 2006. Even then, the streets are littered with QB's that have won a single SB title. Yet his physical skills have been declining for the last couple of years. I obviously don't know his training schedule, but I would imagine that there isn't a statue of Manning outside the weight room.
Brady won 3 SB titles in his first 5 years. That smells pretty "pinnacle" to me. Yet his arm strength has improved nearly every year since. His throwing motion and ball rotation are huge improvements over 2001...and even over what he could do in 2004. His throws downfield used to have a wobble and his shorter passes would be slightly behind receivers (causing them to slow down and stop). In 2007, a full 3 years after the last SB, Brady was just playing at a different level than his competition. Even adding an MVP, a slew of records and major surgery, I still expect Brady to improve his game in the next couple of years.
That is kind of my point. He didn't reach the pinnacle of his profession until 2006. Even then, the streets are littered with QB's that have won a single SB title. Yet his physical skills have been declining for the last couple of years. I obviously don't know his training schedule, but I would imagine that there isn't a statue of Manning outside the weight room.
Brady won 3 SB titles in his first 5 years. That smells pretty "pinnacle" to me. Yet his arm strength has improved nearly every year since. His throwing motion and ball rotation are huge improvements over 2001...and even over what he could do in 2004. His throws downfield used to have a wobble and his shorter passes would be slightly behind receivers (causing them to slow down and stop). In 2007, a full 3 years after the last SB, Brady was just playing at a different level than his competition. Even adding an MVP, a slew of records and major surgery, I still expect Brady to improve his game in the next couple of years.
Actually he did...2004 AFC Wild Card Game vs. Denver, 153.8 passer rating. Only one of four ever to happen in the playoffs. Brady's mark might be the team record but it's not the best in the playoffs.
Denver Broncos vs. Indianapolis Colts - Recap - January 04, 2004 - ESPN
Right-O. I said this earlier. The games happened in 2004, but it was the 2003 season. Pretty awesome game, I'd say. He followed it up the next week at Kansas City with a 138.8 rating. Both games combined, he passed for 681 yards, 8 TDs and 0 INTs.
Then he came to New England and crapped the bed, throwing 4 INTs to 1 TD and completing a little less than half his passes for 237 yards. The Colts still only lost by 10 points. He had a bad game; it happens to everyone... but, for those of you that think he is a "choke artist," don't forget that he had these 2 great games when everything was on the line. The Kansas City game was a close game, so Manning needed to score 38 points for his team to win by a TD...and this was AT Kansas City.
Right-O. I said this earlier. The games happened in 2004, but it was the 2003 season. Pretty awesome game, I'd say. He followed it up the next week at Kansas City with a 138.8 rating. Both games combined, he passed for 681 yards, 8 TDs and 0 INTs.
Then he came to New England and crapped the bed, throwing 4 INTs to 1 TD and completing a little less than half his passes for 237 yards. The Colts still only lost by 10 points. He had a bad game; it happens to everyone... but, for those of you that think he is a "choke artist," don't forget that he had these 2 great games when everything was on the line. The Kansas City game was a close game, so Manning needed to score 38 points for his team to win by a TD...and this was AT Kansas City.
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