Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[Ring 6]

I’m looking forward to seeing a lot of posters reaction when all is this obvious stuff becomes important now that they’ve been outing us “making stuff up” and speculating. To deny the police investigation is abnormal by any standard is ignorant. I have no idea how people aren’t piecing together that the video is now a bargaining chip and there’s a reason why the police gave Kraft a legal out. If they were really confident of a conviction, why allow him to get out of this with no conviction after all their bluster and the publicity around this?

You can make things up and have them turn out to be correct. That doesn’t make arguing a conclusion based upon making something up was correct.

Guessing right without information is just luck.

If I roll 2 dice and ask you to guess what will come up and you guess 2. You have 1/36 chance of being right. If 2 comes up your weren’t genius, prescient or all knowing. You just made a bad guess and got lucky.

 

[Antdawg]

Can we at least learn the facts?
No one threatened to release the video.
The sheriff explained the law surrounding requests made to obtain it.

Don't be such a tool. It is not the sheriff's job to educate the media on Florida's right to information laws. He could have simply said "no comment" and there would have been nothing wrong with that. It was clearly a warning shot. If you don't see that, you're either incredibly naive or biased against Kraft. Judging by your posts, I'm gonna go with both of those.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I think you're reading way too much into the fact that an offer was made. Even if Kraft is definitively guilty as hell and the evidence is airtight and there's no reasonable question as to its admissibility, there are still major costs that the prosecutor must take into account. Mainly that Kraft is loaded and can afford to make this an expensive and time-consuming process for everyone involved, and given what's potentially at stake for him he has every reason to do exactly that. The offer that the prosecutor made does not suggest any weakness in the case itself, more that, given the resources at Kraft's disposal, it's in the best interests of everyone involved that this doesn't get dragged out for as long as Kraft can afford to drag it out. It would be totally reasonable for a prosecutor to decide that all of that just isn't worth it for what is ultimately just a misdemeanor conviction with no jail sentence and a less-than-pocket-change fine anyway.

When people talk about the rich having a different legal system and a different set of legal standards in America, this is exactly what they're referring to. If you have enough money to turn your prosecution into a war of attrition--even one that you're ultimately guaranteed to lose--you can get away with lots of open-and-shut nonsense with little more than a slap on the wrist.

The one area where I will agree is that these suggestions that the tape will become public could be read as a sort of threat to Kraft, that the authorities involved know he doesn't given a **** about any fine, and that the only thing he values that's at stake is his reputation which would take a real hit if the video came out. But even then, it seems like the Sunshine Law is pretty clear on this matter, to the point that it becomes more a statement of fact than a threat. And that just goes right back to Kraft for being ****ing idiotic enough to pick the worst possible state to get a blowjob from a sex slave in. And frankly I'm hard-pressed to care about any consequences that Kraft faces, because he made this bed that he has to lie in. If a bunch of Pats haters want to watch a 77 year old dude get sucked off by a sex slave to stick it to the Pats and their fans, then good for them I guess but they've severely overestimated the extent to which I give a **** about Bob Kraft's reputation. I'd actually find it pretty funny that so many people were willing to subject themselves to something so gross out of some misguided belief that we'd give a ****, if not for the fact that I would feel truly bad for the sex slave herself, who would just be getting victimized all over again by a bunch of self-righteous hypocritical dipshits.

You had me until sex slave

 

[Ring 6]

Bingo!

Please everyone, read @PatsDeb wrote since there seems to be some animosity elsewhere. This is exactly what's happening.

This case is actually quite unique and may become really, really complex. This is a massive chess game/ staredown happening because the video is (a) a bargaining chip of Bob Kraft's legacy, (b) very likely the entire case against him, (c) possibly not admissable and possibly obtained unlawfully, and (d) possibly the result, upon its release, of the ruin of many, many people in law enforcement and public offices who are responsible for obtaining and releasing it. Because depending on its admissability, the video is either public evidence of a criminal activity or an illegal porno video recorded without the knowledge of a person involved.

Let me know when you all wake up and realize the Police Department is, like Kraft, playing one high stakes game of poker right now. If they authorize the video's release, they better be damn sure that is going to be a lawful recording. And based on their offer to Kraft, this is why I think they're not confident. Have away at my reasoning...this is my opinion, and it aligns with everything we've heard.

First deb was resounding to if they release the video before the trial.

Second, slow down and get some facts.
No one has threatened to release the video.
The sheriff specifically said that it cannot be released while the case is pending.
Further he said that when the case is finished of someone request the video Florida law says that they must give it to them.

Stop misunderstanding facts then turning the wrong facts into lynchpin points of the argument you are building on quicksand.

 

[Ring 6]

Don't be such a tool. It is not the sheriff's job to educate the media on Florida's right to information laws. He could have simply said "no comment" and there would have been nothing wrong with that. It was clearly a warning shot. If you don't see that, you're either incredibly naive or biased against Kraft. Judging by your posts, I'm gonna go with both of those.

He literally said that it cannot be released before the case is resolved. How can you threaten to release something by saying you legally cannot do it?

When asked about the laws regarding requests for the tape he explained the law. Why in the world would he give a no comment?

 

[Ring 6]

And they may not...this may be a bluff to get Kraft to take their deal. We'll see. My previous post goes into this if one agrees this a good educated take and not a tin-foil hat theory.

It’s 100% tin foil hat to take a sheriff saying

THR VIDEO CAN NOT BE RELEASED WHILE THE CASE IS PENDING

And say it may be a bluff to get him to take a deal.
Riddle me this. If he is trying to get kraft to take a deal why would he say the video is unable to be released until the car is over but then would be if someone asks for it because the law says it has to be after the case is over?

It’s the opposite of what he would say if he was trying to get him to take a deal.

 

[Antdawg]

He literally said that it cannot be released before the case is resolved. How can you threaten to release something by saying you legally cannot do it?

LOL, why do I waste my time? The above means nothing, because the case will be done in a matter of weeks and we all know Kraft wants the video to never be released. By implying it will be released in a matter of weeks, the sheriff is using the video as a bargaining chip. Everybody knows this. Well, everybody who doesn't live under a rock and think bashing Bob Kraft on the daily is cool to do.

 

[Joker]

You can make things up and have them turn out to be correct. That doesn’t make arguing a conclusion based upon making something up was correct.



If I roll 2 dice and ask you to guess what will come up and you guess 2. You have 1/36 chance of being right. If 2 comes up your weren’t genius, prescient or all knowing. You just made a bad guess and got lucky.

heh...welp there goes 500 years of scientific method discoveries out the window...and if I roll two dice and the outrcome I call comes up that is NOT a BAD GUESS. Do I have to explain this to you? A thousand people in a parking lot see me roll two dice and call "2"...2 comes up. A 1000 people yell out "good guess!". Andy Johnson screams "bad guess!". The crowd pelts him with rotten fruit.

 

[Ring 6]

LOL, why do I waste my time? The above means nothing, because the case will be done in a matter of weeks and we all know Kraft wants the video to never be released. By implying it will be released in a matter of weeks, the sheriff is using the video as a bargaining chip. Everybody knows this. Well, everybody who doesn't live under a rock and think bashing Bob Kraft on the daily is cool to do.

He is saying the video will be released if it is requested because that is Florida law.
Take off the tin foil hat.

 

[Ring 6]

heh...welp there goes 500 years of scientific method discoveries out the window...and if I roll two dice and the outrcome I call comes up that is NOT a BAD GUESS. Do I have to explain this to you? A thousand people in a parking lot see me roll two dice and call "2"...2 comes up. A 1000 people yell out "good guess!". Andy Johnson screams "bad guess!". The crowd pelts him with rotten fruit.

What are the chances you will be right? 1/36
That’s a bad guess.
It turns out to be wrong 35 times and right once.
It didn’t become a good guess the 36th time.

What do the 1000 people yell the other 35 times?

A good guess would be 7 because it comes up 1/6 times.

When 2 comes up it was dumb luck. See, exactly the same as guessing at a legal
Outcome without knowing the facts.

 

[Brewskies]

Meh everyone hates us anyway. Screw em

More do now. Hate keeps the league with the attention on the Patriots.

 

[Antdawg]

He is saying the video will be released if it is requested because that is Florida law.
Take off the tin foil hat.

Maybe you should tell the lawyers who used to work for the President of the United States, whom Mr. Kraft has hired to take off the "tin foil hats", because if you haven't heard, they filed a motion to block the release of the video. Imma go out on a limb here and say they researched what they were doing before they did that and have a pretty good idea of what's possible and what isn't possible under Florida law.

An overzealous cop isn't the authority on Florida Freedom of Information laws. He was delivering a veiled threat to Kraft. The entire ordeal has been a circus of pathetic intimidation tactics deployed by local law enforcement and I'm glad Kraft is fighting them on it.

I'm going to put my money on the guys who used to work in the White House as lawyers when it comes to what videos can be blocked for release under Florida law. Not some random message board poster or Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane down there in Palm Beach County.

 

[BTTA]

Hold on. So if my wife or daughter go to Florida and are raped, and someone gets some video of the case that's used as evidence , in order to have their perpetrator punished, they'd have to essentially agree to having their rape video released to the public, and inevitably put on Pornhub?

 

[Gator Mike]

 

[Ring 6]

Maybe you should tell the lawyers who used to work for the President of the United States, whom Mr. Kraft has hired to take off the "tin foil hats", because if you haven't heard, they filed a motion to block the release of the video.

Any attorney in any case that involved surveillance video would file a motion to block the release.

This has nothing to do with your ridiculous and paranoid belief that announcing it cannot be released while the case is pending and answering a question about the law regarding someone requesting a copy is a threat.

Imma go out on a limb here and say they researched what they were doing before they did that and have a pretty good idea of what's possible and what isn't possible under Florida law.

I’m sure they did. See above.

An overzealous cop isn't the authority on Florida Freedom of Information laws.

And you are?

If you didn’t already know your point sucked you wouldn’t have to add “overzealous” for no other reason than to spice up your weak argument.
And yes, I would say that a sheriff who received these requests routinely is an expert.

He was delivering a veiled threat to Kraft. The entire ordeal has been a circus of weak intimidation tactics deployed by local law enforcement and I'm glad Kraft is fighting them on it.

1) explained it cannot be released while the case was pending.
2) explained the law when someone asked.
Please list all of the other things that your paranoia is considering intimidation.

I'm going to put my money on the guys who used to work in the White House as lawyers when it comes to what videos can be blocked for release under Florida law.

Did they win their motion?
Are you so obtuse that you think a defense lawyer filing a motion is proof of something?

Not some random message board hater or Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane down there in Palm Beach County.

Ok so as soon as some lawyer who worked on the whole house explains that law then you can take their side and see if they are right. So far they haven’t even done that.
You don’t even know what they think but you are convinced they think what you wish they did and they are right because you wish they are.

Seriously can you think for yourself?

 

[BelichicksBlackEye]

Hold on. So if my wife or daughter go to Florida and are raped, and someone gets some video of the case that's used as evidence , in order to have their perpetrator punished, they'd have to essentially agree to having their rape video released to the public, and inevitably put on Pornhub?

Lawyers?

 

[Antdawg]

He once served as Special Counsel and Deputy Counsel to George W. Bush. When in the White House, he said, he “provided legal advice to the President and senior White House officials on a wide range of issues, including congressional and other government investigations, national security and foreign affairs, the financial crisis of 2008 and complex constitutional questions”.

Obviously, a big tin foil hat guy.

 

[Ring 6]

Hold on. So if my wife or daughter go to Florida and are raped, and someone gets some video of the case that's used as evidence , in order to have their perpetrator punished, they'd have to essentially agree to having their rape video released to the public, and inevitably put on Pornhub?

No
As was explained the law has exceptions which clearly rape would qualify as.

 

[Ring 6]

He once served as Special Counsel and Deputy Counsel to George W. Bush. When in the White House, he said, he “provided legal advice to the President and senior White House officials on a wide range of issues, including congressional and other government investigations, national security and foreign affairs, the financial crisis of 2008 and complex constitutional questions”.

Obviously, a big tin foil hat guy.

Defense attorney.
And where does he say the sheriff threatened kraft to get him to settle? Looks like he disagrees with your tin foil hat posture.

 

[Triumph]

Changing the narrative and casting doubt.

Kraft's legal dream team knows that law enforcement will not fight these claims outside of the courtroom.