Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[venecol]

The basic gist is this...

a judge may grant a wiretap but stipulate that the police can only listen if there’s relevant evidence within a minute of the call, otherwise they need to turn off the tapmsince they are then just eavesdropping.

There’s always a balance between personal privacy and investigations.

I’ve made no claim that I know this is he case here. I’ve claimed that I heavily speculate something is amiss. This is a five month investigation...it seems unnecessary to prove prostitution is happening 25 times when the point of the surveillance is for a different crime, human trafficking.

If you don’t think that’s what Krafts attorneys are honing in on, I’m surprised.

I don’t like Kraft or any owner. I’d just assume he gets nailed for this. I just think this investigation and surveillance seems very odd.

Not sure why anyone questions the rarity of the videos when the Sheriff himself is saying that everybody is asking him how he got away with placing videos in the parlors. Defense attorneys interviewed claim this is extraordinarily rare in prostitution cases. There are other investigative ways to show human trafficking is occurring. I mean this is sex trafficking but what if it were labor trafficking, would they need a video?

The #1 venue for sex trafficking is escorts. So I guess cops will be allowed to install cameras in client's homes to capture sex by escorts if human trafficking is suspected? Truly amazing how people are actually cheering the absolute demolishing of the Bill of Rights by LE. Next stop police state.

 

[venecol]

Yes- he did say once the trial is over it can be made public but I thought the court/judge has the ability to seal any documents/evidence at their discretion? They are basically saying that will not be something considered here.

Gross.

That's not up to the cops. Only the judge can decide disposition of the case and evidence.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's not up to the cops. Only the judge can decide disposition of the case and evidence.

Yes that is what I had in my post

 

[venecol]

This article also details it...



That bad boy is going public as long as someone makes a valid request under the Sunshine Law. And there is very little Kraft can do about it from a legal standpoint.

I suspect that his attorneys will try to have said videos thrown out as evidence from a legal standpoint thus making them in fact illegal and subject to being expunged.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Not sure why anyone questions the rarity of the videos when the Sheriff himself is saying that everybody is asking him how he got away with placing videos in the parlors. Defense attorneys interviewed claim this is extraordinarily rare in prostitution cases. There are other investigative ways to show human trafficking is occurring. I mean this is sex trafficking but what if it were labor trafficking, would they need a video?

The #1 venue for sex trafficking is escorts. So I guess cops will be allowed to install cameras in client's homes to capture sex by escorts if human trafficking is suspected? Truly amazing how people are actually cheering the absolute demolishing of the Bill of Rights by LE. Next stop police state.

That's not up to the cops. Only the judge can decide disposition of the case and evidence.

I’m looking forward to seeing a lot of posters reaction when all is this obvious stuff becomes important now that they’ve been outing us “making stuff up” and speculating. To deny the police investigation is abnormal by any standard is ignorant. I have no idea how people aren’t piecing together that the video is now a bargaining chip and there’s a reason why the police gave Kraft a legal out. If they were really confident of a conviction, why allow him to get out of this with no conviction after all their bluster and the publicity around this?

 

[Deus Irae]

I’m looking forward to seeing a lot of posters reaction when all is this obvious stuff becomes important now that they’ve been outing us “making stuff up” and speculating. To deny the police investigation is abnormal by any standard is ignorant. I have no idea how people aren’t piecing together that the video is now a bargaining chip and there’s a reason why the police gave Kraft a legal out. If they were really confident of a conviction, why allow him to get out of this with no conviction after all their bluster and the publicity around this?

You did make something up. Insulting others about it just makes you look like an idiot.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

What happens if they release the video and Kraft is then found not guilty and the evidence is inadmissible, ruled to be an abuse of the warrant?

 

[venecol]

The other obvious question is what about all the other people, men and women that were not serviced but were being watched in real time by the cops. I mean this was not a brothel but a massage parlor so there must have been normal clients looking for massages. The thought the cops were watching people getting massages at their headquarters is creepy as hell.

 

[BradyFTW!]

The ramifications of this with respect to Kraft's standing among the owners will be great. No one will take him seriously anymore. He may also be stripped of a number of committee assignments, not to mention the suspension that Goondell will inevitably impose.

Deflategate already demonstrated that Kraft doesn't have any real standing to speak of within "the 32", so I don't see much changing.

"Worst" case scenario, Robert gets a long-term suspension that facilitates transitioning ownership to Jonathan.

 

[Steve102]

What happens if they release the video and Kraft is then found not guilty and the evidence is inadmissible, ruled to be an abuse of the warrant?

He sues PornHub and files a cease and desist?

My thought all along has been the traffic stop thing. I'm not expert, but that feels like a 4th amendment violation. That's how they identified him and knew they had their public face.

 

[venecol]

If videos get released what are the odds on Vegas placing odds on the size of Kraft's peepee?

 

[Joker]

Kraft was seen in line at a Walmart checkout....Jupiter County D.A. just ordered him charged with "subhuman trafficking"...looks real bad

 

[PatsDeb]

What happens if they release the video and Kraft is then found not guilty and the evidence is inadmissible, ruled to be an abuse of the warrant?

Then the police department had better get its checkbook out. We are in the "blowing smoke" stages of this case where each side threatens the other with the worst case scenario in order to bolster their respective positions. I don't think there's any way that video becomes public before the folks on it go to trial, and anyone who is striking a plea or having the charges placed on file, et cetera is going to make damn sure that his/her portion of the video doesn't become public as part of the deal.

 

[Chevrolet]

The outcome of Kraft's innocence or guilt by court is COMPLETELY irrelevant if the videotape is released.

If that tape is released, Kraft's career as patriots owner will come to an end.

Therefore the videotape is everything.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

You did make something up. Insulting others about it just makes you look like an idiot.

Let's go back to your original question, about what I am basing the following upon, which is the subject of what I've now "made up".

It is absolutely not an everyday thing for the PD to offer a deal like this - for an incredibly highly visible person -

You do realize that you're asking me to prove a negative about this first part, correct? It is not an everyday thing for a PD to offer a deal like this, especially after having a nationally televised press conference. Can you name other instances whereby a celebrity has been offered to have the charges dropped by admitting guilt? And also, this is not an Alfred Plea as some have wrongly stated. It is actually the opposite.

when the case should be so airtight with the evidence and screams that there's going to be problems with the prosecution because there's going to be problems with admissability of the "airtight" evidence.

When I say "screams" is it not clear that I am asserting an opinion, or did you think I was stating that a legal case actually screams?

You'll have to explain what exactly I made up here, other than something that is clearly stated as an opinion/speculation and not claimed fact.

 

[Joker]

well thanks....I knew we never needed anything so cumbersome and extraneous as a "constitution". Great day for all Caliwhackians

 

[borg]

Why did the police take so long to conclude this case?
Simple explanation
Police overtime
Cops in S. Florida milk the public teet for every cent they can....standard operating procedure
Why do today when you can delay until next month at 150-200% salary.
"Sarge....just a few more weeks, this case is gonna explode"

The use of the bomb threat ploy....had me laughing.....another signature move for cops down here. It solves many problems for cops including getting them healthy bumps in OT.
In my area during the financial melt down a decade ago, it was not uncommon for cops to call in bomb threats at Friday night high school football games to grab extra OT for themselves, firefighters, EMT, etc. Everyone knew what was going on. Money was tight...but the public must be protected.



Anyway......fun offseason. Kills time before the inevitable draft trade downs. Thanks Bob for keeping it entertaining. Too bad BB had to flee Jupiter and escape to Barbados for sanctuary....at $3k per night. Hope Bob covered his expenses....he's paying everyone else down here right now.

 

[Tony2046]

What happens if they release the video and Kraft is then found not guilty and the evidence is inadmissible, ruled to be an abuse of the warrant?

But they haven't released it.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Then the police department had better get its checkbook out. We are in the "blowing smoke" stages of this case where each side threatens the other with the worst case scenario in order to bolster their respective positions. I don't think there's any way that video becomes public before the folks on it go to trial, and anyone who is striking a plea or having the charges placed on file, et cetera is going to make damn sure that his/her portion of the video doesn't become public as part of the deal.

Bingo!

Please everyone, read @PatsDeb wrote since there seems to be some animosity elsewhere. This is exactly what's happening.

This case is actually quite unique and may become really, really complex. This is a massive chess game/ staredown happening because the video is (a) a bargaining chip of Bob Kraft's legacy, (b) very likely the entire case against him, (c) possibly not admissable and possibly obtained unlawfully, and (d) possibly the result, upon its release, of the ruin of many, many people in law enforcement and public offices who are responsible for obtaining and releasing it. Because depending on its admissability, the video is either public evidence of a criminal activity or an illegal porno video recorded without the knowledge of a person involved.

Let me know when you all wake up and realize the Police Department is, like Kraft, playing one high stakes game of poker right now. If they authorize the video's release, they better be damn sure that is going to be a lawful recording. And based on their offer to Kraft, this is why I think they're not confident. Have away at my reasoning...this is my opinion, and it aligns with everything we've heard.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

But they haven't released it.

And they may not...this may be a bluff to get Kraft to take their deal. We'll see. My previous post goes into this if one agrees this a good educated take and not a tin-foil hat theory.