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  1. Soliel

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    I agree with that. Jimmy is hella good. My thing is he just haven’t played enough to really see where the land lays

    He sure did hang it on the jags
     
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    Yeah but when it comes to "the guy he likes the most" that's like 5 different guys. San Fran's stable of receivers are very easy to underestimate. George Kittle is comparable to Zach Ertz as an offensive tight end, they've got a fullback who's able to be a big part of the receiving game, and they've got 3-4 good receivers including Goodwin who's nearly as good as Edelman in the slot.

    Between Kittle, Mack, Juschek, Goodwin, Bourne, and a couple other depth receivers whose names I can't recall off the top of my head, their offensive depth is spectacular, Kittle and Juschek in particular are probably going to be Pro Bowlers at their position if they stay healthy, especially now that they've got a good quarterback throwing to them.

    And of course, Garoppolo is good at making his short and intermediate options look good and has stuck his deep throws when they jam the middle. If he does that, it's going to be really hard to come up with a defense that can stop all those weapons at once, consistently.

    I think he's not going to continue to win every game he ever plays, so in that sense yes, I expect regression. But the 49ers have themselves a very, very good starting quarterback, and fans here don't do themselves any favors by throwing stones at him just to cover up their disappointment that he's not in our uniform anymore.
     
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    Second "overblown" point in one thread. Could it be that "overblown" is overblown?

    Just a quick hit at lunch hour
     
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    Simpelton 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    overblowing is a big problem in a league (and a forum) full of blowhards.
     
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    Saying Garrapolo has a lot to prove isn’t “ throwing stones at him” in any way. He’s never faced any adversity (playing through injury, multiple interception game, losing his top weapons). He’s never played in a game with the season on the line. He’s never had to play through an injury. He’s never had defensive coordinators put together game plans to stop him. And he’s never played an entire season. Garrapolo will have show that he can deal with all of these situations and more to prove himself, and that’s just life in the NFL, saying that is reality, not dissing him Garrapolo is a talented young QB who looks like he’s going to be a good player, but acting as if he’s already arrived is just foolish. At this time next year we will have answers to some of these questions, two years from now more answers, and three years from now we will have a great idea of what kind of QB he truly is. It should be interesting, I’m glad he’s in the NFC.
     
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    I wanted them to trade Garrapolo, I’m not disappointed at all.
     
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    Schefter has the breakdown:



    This is actually a great structure for the 49ers. The cap hits and guaranteed money are front-loaded -- at a time they are significantly under the cap, can afford it, and roster isn't fully ready to contend yet (roster bonus hits 2018 cap, signing bonus is spread over the 5 years). If he doesn't work out, can cut him after 2 years with inconsequential dead cap hit. And if he does work out, his cap hits will be relatively low by franchise QB levels that they can afford to pay talent around him (cap hit of around $37M in 2018, $20M in 2019, around $27M thereafter).
     
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    If the Jets/Bills/Dolphins could have given up their 2002 and 2003 number 1 pick for Brady/Belichick to end up in New Orleans or something, would that be worth it???
     
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    I’m in the camp of wanting him traded. When I’m saying he’s gong to have to play more to convince me, I’m not insulting him at all and think he’s really good but things happen in a long season

    Wouldn’t take twenty 1st round picks for brady and B.B.
     
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    So does schefter mean "bass" the fish or "bass" the musical instrument?

    Because I don't understand what the hell I'd do with a hundred million dollars in fish.
     
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    juny Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    According to overthecap.com, 2018 cap hit is 37 million and the 49ers still have 77 million in cap space this coming year .
     
  14. NormZauchin

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    So you think Brian Hoyer is going to demand a restructure along the lines of Jimmy's contract?
     
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    Yes. Despite his two game success with the Pats, if he had lost all or most of the games he started for the 49ers, he would not have gotten such a generous contract.
     
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    I didn't know that "sucks" equates with "serviceable." Cousins will undoubtedly get a ton of money, probably more than his "worth" (actually, most professional athletes get more than they deserve if you compare their contributions to society with people who work in medicine, law enforcement, etc.), but I watched him play for a number of years and he is definitely among the top ten or twelve quarterbacks in the league.
     
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    fightingirish595 In the Starting Line-Up

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    I agree norm


    My buddy thinks Newton is better. He values his running. I think cousins is better at reading a defense than atleast 2/3 of the league
     
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    Agreed. Cousins is a good play reader. His problem is that he doesn't have the best arm and often gets lured into gambling too much, probably because his teams don't tend to have a lot going for them other than himself.

    Put him on a decent club, or even a club with at least a few other promising assets like the Phins or Bills, and he could become dangerous.
     
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    That's pretty personal. FYI. hahaha
     
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    So, by drafting and grooming Brady and Garoppolo, maybe lightning has already struck twice in the same place for the Patriots?

    Also, curious about your second point. Are you suggesting that the Pats would be unable to hold onto any Premium QB because he will just move on for money in four years? If so, what should they do? (Serious question)
     

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