JC Jackson has the best passer rating allowed in the NFL

[TB_Helmet]

This pic always cracks me up.

Bill. Surrounded by reporters at the coaches breakfast. Makes them wait while he's sipping OJ.

It’s his shirt that seals the deal.

 

[maineman209]

For all this discussion about draft advantages/disadvantages, we all know in our hearts that, if BB had the #1 overall pick and couldn't trade out of it for more picks, he'd still take somebody like Jordan Richards.

 

[Tony2046]

For all this discussion about draft advantages/disadvantages, we all know in our hearts that, if BB had the #1 overall pick and couldn't trade out of it for more picks, he'd still take somebody like Jordan Richards.

He would have taken Baker or traded down for more picks.

 

[maineman209]

He would have taken Baker or traded down for more picks.

Well, I definitely would've taken Baker. To me, he looked like to most NFL-ready of all the prospects - from technical abilities to playing style to attitude.

 

[Kontradiction]

When you pick matters. That’s why everyone in the NFL would prefer to have the #1 pick in the draft.

It’s like if you need a job done around your house and you are hiring. If you have more money, you’ll be able to afford more expensive plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc. odds are you’ll be able to afford a better worker than your neighbor who has half your money.

Doesn’t mean you’re gonna make a wise choice though. You might still pick a crappy guy. Conversely, the guy with half your money may know more about this than you and pick a better guy. But having more resources OF COURSE is an advantage. This is self-evidently so.

It’s why everyone would like to make more money than they do. It’s an advantage.

Oh of course, but the degree of which it’s an advantage is highly debatable. Especially in the context that some here have tried to frame it. You can maintain a dynasty (as we’ve seen with the Patriots and other teams that have been good for longer periods of time) without drafting earlier as long as you hit on your picks. You can’t give BB the kind of credit we did from 2010-2013 while drafting in the bottom of each round without giving him the blame when he doesn’t hit on those early picks ala 2014-2017. The players are still there. If you miss, you miss. Blaming draft position is a cop out.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He would have taken Baker or traded down for more picks.

I was dead set against taking Mayfield. I wanted no part of his antics after seeing the crap he pulled at OU.

I'm still not sure about his brain and his charater but his talent is undeniable.

 

[mgteich]

Well, I definitely would've taken Baker. To me, he looked like to most NFL-ready of all the prospects - from technical abilities to playing style to attitude.

The rumors (that we all say are worthless) were that we were interested in Baker and Lamar.

2019 is another year.

 

[Tony2046]

Oh of course, but the degree of which it’s an advantage is highly debatable. Especially in the context that some here have tried to frame it. You can maintain a dynasty (as we’ve seen with the Patriots and other teams that have been good for longer periods of time) without drafting earlier as long as you hit on your picks. You can’t give BB the kind of credit we did from 2010-2013 while drafting in the bottom of each round without giving him the blame when he doesn’t hit on those early picks ala 2014-2017. The players are still there. If you miss, you miss. Blaming draft position is a cop out.

Everyone has their hits and misses.

Even the Bacon master said he misses. Unbelievable I know.

But the team with the first pick in the draft has the ability to trade down for multiple 2nd round picks and a lower first rounder. Or pick a potential stud. It's an incredibly valuable pick.

Give that to BB and see what he could do with it.

Instead he's playing with the last first round pick. Trading out of the first round for future picks or whatever he can do to maximize the value of what he has.

Picking last is definitely a disadvantage and compounded by 18 years of success.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I was dead set against taking Mayfield. I wanted no part of his antics after seeing the crap he pulled at OU.

I'm still not sure about his brain and his charater but his talent is undeniable.

See I understand where you're coming from & I'm not going to pretend to know but he seems like good guy to me.

Try not to have "Binkys" but hes close. Ultimate underdog. Short white guy that likes to dance around like he invented smooth. Hes the guy that uses every slight. Isn't going to bow down to Pitt or accept losing.

Watched him at Texas Tech you could see from day 1 he had "it" but I'll admit I had some concerns about how the NFL would play to his strengths or if they even would if Hue got his way.

I think they're a playoff team next year. Browns & Ravens will be so fun for a long time.

 

[ivanvamp]

Oh of course, but the degree of which it’s an advantage is highly debatable. Especially in the context that some here have tried to frame it. You can maintain a dynasty (as we’ve seen with the Patriots and other teams that have been good for longer periods of time) without drafting earlier as long as you hit on your picks. You can’t give BB the kind of credit we did from 2010-2013 while drafting in the bottom of each round without giving him the blame when he doesn’t hit on those early picks ala 2014-2017. The players are still there. If you miss, you miss. Blaming draft position is a cop out.

Nobody is saying the Pats can't draft well from the bottom of the draft. All we (or I'll just speak for myself and say *I*) are saying is that it's a drafting disadvantage. In my view, a substantial one, and the draft value chart, while obviously not scientific, at least gives a sense of how big the disadvantage is. It's not small.

The point is that in order to maintain the dynasty, BB has had to be *better* than everyone else, drafting from the worst position in the league, year in and year out. Also, the Pats have been wrongly docked two first round picks by the NFL, picks that could have come in very very handy.

Of course, it helps that he made the most important and most valuable draft pick in NFL history in Tom Brady, a pick that keeps on helping nearly 20 years later.

 

[RobertWeathers]

See I understand where you're coming from & I'm not going to pretend to know but he seems like good guy to me.

Try not to have "Binkys" but hes close. Ultimate underdog. Short white guy that likes to dance around like he invented smooth. Hes the guy that uses every slight. Isn't going to bow down to Pitt or accept losing.

Watched him at Texas Tech you could see from day 1 he had "it" but I'll admit I had some concerns about how the NFL would play to his strengths or if they even would if Hue got his way.

I think they're a playoff team next year. Browns & Ravens will be so fun for a long time.

If the Browns add some more pieces on D and more help on the line they are absolutely a playoff team.

Now they need a good coach

 

[patchick]

Fun draft position point to ponder: BB has had a top-20 draft pick just four times in his tenure with the Patriots. Here are those four players:

Nate Solder
Jerod Mayo
Ty Warren
Richard Seymour

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Oh of course, but the degree of which it’s an advantage is highly debatable. Especially in the context that some here have tried to frame it. You can maintain a dynasty (as we’ve seen with the Patriots and other teams that have been good for longer periods of time) without drafting earlier as long as you hit on your picks. You can’t give BB the kind of credit we did from 2010-2013 while drafting in the bottom of each round without giving him the blame when he doesn’t hit on those early picks ala 2014-2017. The players are still there. If you miss, you miss. Blaming draft position is a cop out.

Good post & sums it up for me. Obviously we're out on certain prospects & it would be great to have the #1 at times we don't need it to win & have proven that for almost 20 years.

What some people don't seem to grasp is that each draft is different. You might only have 5-10 1st Rd picks. That prospect at that spot might not be worth.

Also regarding DE's (I know that was previously talked about)
DE, Rush, Edge, W/e you want to call it might be more of the easier positions to predict after scouting & esp athletic testing. So the hit rate makes sense but it should be noted you have a 25-35% chance in Rd's 2-3 which isn't terrible, again considering you have things to point to.

 

[ivanvamp]

Fun draft position point to ponder: BB has had a top-20 draft pick just four times in his tenure with the Patriots. Here are those four players:

Nate Solder
Jerod Mayo
Ty Warren
Richard Seymour

So imagine if he had an extra first round pick every year to make up for picking at or near the bottom every year.

Long story short: BB is hardly flawless (goodness no), but on the whole, he's better at this than anyone else in the business. Or at least, he's really really good and anyone who says he sucks (and there are plenty of those people) just isn't a rational human being.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

If the Browns add some more pieces on D and more help on the line they are absolutely a playoff team.

Now they need a good coach

Yes coach is #1. McCarthy wouldn't be terrible but I'm not sure I'm going there.

2 of the best things a QB can be called are game managers & he's a chain mover. Baker is excellent at making the spectacular play but also does those 2 really well despite his mistake the other day.

McCarthy isn't a big "design/scheme" guy so they might click from that standpoint where Mike just wants go from A to B w/out a lot window dressing or disguise.

If I'm NYJ, Cleveland, Ari, any team w a young QB. I'm getting a guy that eat & sleeps offense.

Your QB & HC have to mesh & you want that dynamic relationship like a Goff/McVay. Where their pushing & challenging each other. Or at the very least a strong OC in that form.

Bieniemy, Lincoln, Peterson, KK, Rhule?

Browns could have a nasty defense very soon. Garrett is a monster but they have Avery, Ogun, Ward & Peppers as well. Another solid draft & they're a scary team.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Good film critique of JC Jackson.

Film room: Checking in on Patriots rookie cornerback J.C. Jackson

 

[Uptown]

Are we still undefeated when Gilmore doesn’t allow a TD?

 

[supafly]

Are we still undefeated when Gilmore doesn’t allow a TD?

I believe so.

 

[Wheelman]

Good film critique of JC Jackson.

Film room: Checking in on Patriots rookie cornerback J.C. Jackson

Love this article! Thanks for posting! The dude's awesome!

 

[1960Pats]

just shut up while you're ahead...or I'll start talking about my precious sheep, Lucy...

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