Interesting offseason cuts around the league thread

[Ring 6]

The only way Freeney could play for our defense is on 3rd or 4th down with 6 or more yards to go. He would be a benefit more to other team on any other down except "we have to pass here" downs, and even then if I were an opposing team, I would just run a draw at him every single 3rd and long until he proves he can stop it twice in a row.

On top of that, some team is going to want to make a splash and bring him in for starters money and starters role and price the Patriots out of a historically overrated player who is over the hill, completely shot, dead in the water.

Maybe if he could play special teams, he'd be worth it on a minimum contract. But you don't pay a guy 2-3 million (and that's being extremely generous) to play 3 or 4 downs a game.

We play nickel 60% of the time.
Adding a disruptive pass rusher who is weak vs the run makes a D a whole better than continuing to use weak pass rushers who can play the run.

 

[tonyto3690]

Are you really trying to compare Ninkovich as a pass rusher to Freeney? Really? Stats are a terrible way to evaluate a pass rusher, but even then your argument is that Ninkovichs best season ever compared to Freeneys worst season ever, caused by injuries and playing out of position is a terrible argument anyway.
Teams facing us expect to handle Ninkovich as a JAG with no extra attention, and he still gets next to no pressure. If you have watched the Colts play, you would know Freeneys impact is much more than that,
I'm not a huge fan of Freeney as an every down player, but his impact as a pass rusher playing half the time would be tremendous.

And you would once again, be dead wrong.

Mathis was head and shoulders better than Freeney this season and for the past couple seasons. Teams loaded up to stop Mathis, not Freeney.

We play nickel 60% of the time.
Adding a disruptive pass rusher who is weak vs the run makes a D a whole better than continuing to use weak pass rushers who can play the run.

So? Are teams in 3rd and 6+ 60% of the time as well?

It's not that he's a disruptive pass rusher who is weak against the run. It's he is a mediocre pass rusher who will cost way too much and is laughably horrific against the run and teams would be stupid not to run at him 50 times a game he is so freaking bad.

No. Freeney would be a massive liability and his 4 sacks he'd generate in a season wouldn't make up for the 10,000 yards he'd give up on the ground.

 

[Ring 6]

And you would once again, be dead wrong.

Mathis was head and shoulders better than Freeney this season and for the past couple seasons. Teams loaded up to stop Mathis, not Freeney.

We totally disagree. There is no point going back and forth.

So? Are teams in 3rd and 6+ 60% of the time as well?

That is meaningless

It's not that he's a disruptive pass rusher who is weak against the run. It's he is a mediocre pass rusher who will cost way too much and is laughably horrific against the run and teams would be stupid not to run at him 50 times a game he is so freaking bad.

see above, no point in trying to discuss this

No. Freeney would be a massive liability and his 4 sacks he'd generate in a season wouldn't make up for the 10,000 yards he'd give up on the ground.

The silliness of this comment leads me to believe you aren't even serious.

 

[DaBruinz]

I want George Wilson. He's not flashy, but he's a more reliable player than Gregory. He's also had some good games against the Pats over the years. I'd gladly cut Gregory in order to roll with a McCourty, Wilson, and Wilson trio at safety. He's not worth the $2.9M he was due, but makes a ton of sense for somewhere between vet min and $1.5M a year.

People thinking that George Wilson is somehow an upgrade over Gregory are smoking cheap stuff. The only reason Wilson has the numbers he does is because the Bills have been so bad..

 

[DaBruinz]

...and Mark Anderson too.

Except that Anderson got that big deal last season with that nice signing bonus. The pro-ration can't be good for the Bills if Anderson is cut.

 

[DaBruinz]

Hey can still cover. Had 5 PDF and 73 tackles. 10 against the Pats in the first game. Yes I would take him.
DW Toys

He had 104 Tackles on the season. 79 Solo and 25 assists. No forced fumbles. No interceptions.

 

[DaBruinz]

A speculative list of defensive backs that may be cut/cap casualties:

Nnamdi Asomugha
Champ Bailey
Antoine Bethea
Ryan Clark
Chris Gamble
DeAngelo Hall
Roman Harper
Richard Marshall
Dunta Robinson
Assante Samuel
Ike Taylor
Corey Webster
Donte Whitner
Antoine Winfield
Adrian Wilson

Is this list yours? Or from someone else?

 

[DaBruinz]

Added to the free agent list of CBs already, which include:

Brent Grimes
Sean Smith
Derek Cox
Chris Houston
Dominique Rogers-Cromartie
Charles Woodson
Cary Williams
Sheldon Brown
Chris Owens
Adam Jones
Keenan Lewis
Tracy Porter
Greg Toler
EJ Biggers
Darius Butler
Bradley Fletcher
DJ Moore
Kyle Arrington
Leodis McKelvin



And where exactly is Talib going to get "5/50" again???

The list of guys who are cut is better to look at since those guys wouldn't count against the comp pick formula..

 

[supafly]

The list of guys who are cut is better to look at since those guys wouldn't count against the comp pick formula..

Yep, I just thought I'd add in all of the real free agents too though. I think the other list is purely speculative at the moment. Some will be on there and some won't be.

Either way it gives a lot of competition to the spot of CB outside of the draft, and it also makes the rankings that have Talib as the #2 CB a bit questionable due to the sheer volume and talent level of those players, which would be good in hopes of keeping him on a fair deal.

 

[Wilfork#75]

The list of guys who are cut is better to look at since those guys wouldn't count against the comp pick formula..

This is an interesting thought and one I would probably agree with. If we do lose any of Welker, Vollmer or Talib I would hate to miss out on compensation because of lesser free agent signings.

A speculative list of defensive backs that may be cut/cap casualties:

Nnamdi Asomugha
Adrian Wilson

These are the two that would interest me the most if cut. I would have to think Asomugha would be in heaven if he signed with the Pats. After spending most of his career in Oakland and that mess of an organisation, he then signs with Philly who turned out to be as much, if not even more of a train wreck. I would have to think that for a guy that is such a pro, coming to an environment like New England would have to be appealing for him. A well run, professional organisation that gives him a shot to win.

Wilson had a down year, lost playing time as the season went on and is getting up there in years. But he was one of my biggest free agent targets last season and I still think he has something left in the tank. I think he would be a perfect compliment at SS next to McCourty and give us a veteran presence that hopefully a young SS that we draft can learn under. If I remember correctly, in 2011 he was rated as one of the best coverage safeties in the NFL, so I think he could certainly add something to the secondary.

I would have some interest in Freeney , but like others have said it would have to be at the right price and he would need to accept a lesser role. I still think he could add something on 3rd down though. My other top target who I have already talked about is Glenn Dorsey, I think he could be a real sleeper if used in the right way. My ideal FA scenario would be:

Re-sign Welker
Tag and Trade Vollmer (Stl, SD, Chi, Ari, Phi?)
Let Talib walk (and hopefully pick up comp pick)

Sign (if cut)
CB-Asomugha
SS-Wilson
DT- Dorsey (also wouldn't mind taking a shot at Jason Jones, Sammie Lee Hill, Mike DeVito or Terrence Knighton)

 

[Username]

Titus Young has been waived by the Rams days after they signed him.

Dude must have serious issues.

 

[DaBruinz]

Titus Young has been waived by the Rams days after they signed him.

Dude must have serious issues.

Already mentioned. But, yes, Titus Young does have some serious attitude issues.

 

[Pats0204]

Jets axe a few guys:

3 mins NFL: AroundTheLeague ?@NFL_ATL
Jets announce they will cut OLB Calvin Pace, S Eric Smith and tackle Jason Smith. TE/FB Josh Baker waived

 

[Deus Irae]

Jets axe a few guys:

3 mins NFL: AroundTheLeague ?@NFL_ATL
Jets announce they will cut OLB Calvin Pace, S Eric Smith and tackle Jason Smith. TE/FB Josh Baker waived

Jets fans are dancing their happy dances right now.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

This is an interesting thought and one I would probably agree with. If we do lose any of Welker, Vollmer or Talib I would hate to miss out on compensation because of lesser free agent signings.

I believe that size of the newly signed contract is the major factor in comp picks. All 3 will get very big contracts if they leave. Were we to sign some vet at a modest contract, it won't offset a big 3.

 

[Deus Irae]

I believe that size of the newly signed contract is the major factor in comp picks. All 3 will get very big contracts if they leave. Were we to sign some vet at a modest contract, it won't offset a big 3.

It depends on the numbers, though, and BB loves him some low-rent FAs.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Jets axe a few guys:

3 mins NFL: AroundTheLeague ?@NFL_ATL
Jets announce they will cut OLB Calvin Pace, S Eric Smith and tackle Jason Smith. TE/FB Josh Baker waived

The Jets only need to fix these holes at starting positions this offseason:

QB
RB
TE
Gx2
RT
ILB
OLB
Sx2

With 4 million in cap space.

I hope everyone here will cherish the 2013 Jets, it'll be an amazingly fun last stand for Buttfumble and Rex. The 2013 Jets roster will be one of the worst in the last ten years. I hope Johnny and whoever the coach is next year pave the way for another era of jets suckage!

 

[jmt57]

Is this list yours? Or from someone else?

Got it off someone else from the comment section on espnBoston.

 

[JackBauer]

Jets axe a few guys:

3 mins NFL: AroundTheLeague ?@NFL_ATL
Jets announce they will cut OLB Calvin Pace, S Eric Smith and tackle Jason Smith. TE/FB Josh Baker waived

Calvin Pace...can't believe I actually wanted that guy back in the day uke:

 

[Uncle Rico]

Aaron Wilson ?@RavensInsider
So, there won't be a Thursday meeting between Bart Scott's agent and the Jets regarding the veteran linebacker. He's being released instead