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  1. ayjackson

    ayjackson Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    Tavon Wilson was the best player on the Pats board. You have to assume that. At that pick, they can't look at Kiper's and Mayock's boards and say, "well, we can let this guy slide a few more rounds". They have to assume that a handfull of the other 31 teams have scouted him and ranked him in a similar matter. So if you thinks he's the best on the board and value at that number, you take him.
     
  2. VJCPatriot

    VJCPatriot Pro Bowl Player

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    Not to belabor Wilson, but what if there weren't any good offers on the table for pick #48 at that time? It takes two to tango in a trade. I'm sure the Pats would have loved to pick up a future 1st or a future 2nd plus a current 2nd, but what if nobody was willing to give up that much in the 5-10 minute trade window and the Pats were like fine, no good trade offers, so we'll just take a player then? We're not in that war room. It's way too easy to play a second guesser when you don't know all the parameters.
     
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  3. Kenneth Sims

    Kenneth Sims PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I've watched 33 NFL drafts and the only time I ever threw anything after a Patriot selection was in 2000 when I threw the Boston Globe I was reading onto the floor when the Pats selected Tom Brady. Afterall, they had Drew Bledsoe and Michael Bishop so why draft another QB!!!
     
  4. Deus Irae

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    You're making assumptions that nobody has to make. The first one, especially, is likely incorrect.
     
  5. The Boston Patriot

    The Boston Patriot PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    It's actually a good thing that when I read your posts (and I do read them) I add a mental disclaimer that your opinions are just that, your opinions, and not any more credible than any other fans opinion, including the casual ones. Otherwise they would drive me crazy, or more crazy as the case would be.
     
  6. MoLewisrocks

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    Says the pot to the kettle...

    He may well have been the best available player who was a fit for what Bill envisions his scheme to be going forward for a variety of reasons. Best doesn't mean most talented or highest graded athletically - unless you want to argue that it must on a purely semantic basis as is your forte - when part of scouting (and it's stressed to scouts here) as well as value is fit - and in Belichick's world often fits.

    Frankly I find it difficult to not assume that Bill always takes the best player available based on his unique understanding of his system and scheme and all the other variables like other and existing available talent.
     
  7. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Belichick has said, time and again, that it's not best player, but best value, which is NOT the same thing. Now, you can toss out the "pot/kettle" nonsense all you want, and you can talk about semantics when it's the coach's own take and not mine, but that's just the way it is.
     
  8. The Boston Patriot

    The Boston Patriot PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    And your assumptions "is likely incorrect" are not anymore credible than his. You're such a dick it's incredible.
     
  9. Keegs

    Keegs In the Starting Line-Up

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    You come off like everyone's opinion holds less value than yours

    You replied to a post that makes the most sense based on everything we know and act like its incorrect b/c you said so.

    Are you stone cold Steve Austin?
     
  10. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Let's get this straight....

    "You have to assume that" is just fine despite the fact that the guy making the picks has said that it's not BPA that the team goes by, but "likely incorrect" is a problem? The coach has said that they don't go by BPA, so going by BPA is likely incorrect.

    http://blogs.providencejournal.com/sports/patriots/2010/04/belichick-intri.html

    What the hell is the problem there?
     
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  11. scout

    scout Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    The defense has been rebuilt since the championship years. Brady will probably be the lone player remaining from the dynasty years. The offense will be as good as last year, the special teams may be better if one of these guys is a return guy, along with the new gunners. The defense should be improved. You have to assume, that one of the db's will emerge as #1 status. This is a team which went to the Superbowl and just got better. They stay healthy and we will be clincking the glasses.
     
  12. patfanken

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    Whatever offers were there, they HAD to be a lot better than the one they eventually took for 62
     
  13. MoLewisrocks

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    The problem is you didn't grasp what you just quoted Bill saying there and the poster you corrected apparently does...

    He didn't say BPA which is the generic talent ranking, he said best player on their board...which is how they have players slotted for a variety of reasons Bill touches on in that quote not the least of which is fit for what they are attempting to do in the context of what they already have.
     
  14. MoLewisrocks

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    Damn, is it June already???

    Why? Because it will make you feel vindicated for saying so? What they eventually took for 62 turned out to be something they could parlay into 3 players they apparently had targeting prior to the draft. You're just upset because that had no relation to what you in your infinite wisdom thought they should have been targeting.
     
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  15. Deus Irae

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    Again, BEST PLAYER is not necessarily BEST PICK at a given draft spot, even on the Patriots board. I'm sorry you couldn't figure that out by the quote I pulled up, because it was pretty easy to read since it followed the whole "you grade them" part.
     
  16. The Boston Patriot

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    Tell me what offers they had or just stop the bull****. You are clueless about any 'offers' or lack of 'offers' just like the rest of us.
     
  17. MoLewisrocks

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    OMG........ :bricks:
     
  18. BSR

    BSR In the Starting Line-Up

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    You make distinctions that are largely meaningless to everyone other than you.
     
  19. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I haven't seen enough of the kid to know if the pick is a good one or bad one. Although being looked as so poorly despite coming from a known conference is something I consider to generally be a bad sign, that's about as close as I've come to offering a take on the player himself. I saw the pre-draft reports enough to know it was a reach, but that's just a sideline exercise in draft points accumulation.

    I just questioned an assumption, saying it was likely untrue, because it didn't seem to take in the range of how BB claims to make his picks. The poster who put that post in there hasn't responded with any clarification, so I can't say really follow up about what he wrote, and we're stuck where we are. A couple of people lost their minds over it, and Mo jumped in with assumptions about arguable assumptions about arguable assumptions. It's typical Patsfans.com, which is typical NFL message board.

    As to this particular distinction being meaningless, it hasn't been meaningless to others when they've discussed BB's methods in the past.
     
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    Ring 6 PatsFans.com Wall of Fame Member

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    Now you are trying to cover your tracks by claiming Safety isn't a need on this team?
    Wow. You will go to any length including embarassing yourself to avoid admitting you were wrong.
     
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