NFL News OT: Rams decline 5th yr Option for CB Emmanuel Forbes

[upstater1]

Looking at OverTheCap.com, the 2023 players who had their options declined were:

• Richardson [IND 4]
• Wilson [NO 7]
• Jones [PIT 14]
• McDonald [JEST 15]
• Forbes [LAR 16]
• Campbell [DET 18]
• Banks [NYG 24]
• Smith [JEST 26]
• Murphy [CIN 28]
• Anudike-Uzomah [KC 31]

That's 10/31 [MIA lost their pick that year]. In 2022 it was 11/32.

It's really funny to think that Belichick's trade for a 4th rounder blew up both the Jets and the Steelers and caused both teams to fail and strikeout.

It still wasn't worth the risk of losing Gonzalez but in retrospect, that trade saved the Patriots (who might've taken Forbes) and killed the Jets and Steelers.

That was maybe the most successful accidental trade in Patriots history.

 

[upstater1]

Oh boy that was a tough decision on a Very Slender no run support man.

Forbes was a run support CB in college. One of the best scouting takes on him was that he was laying out people and very aggressive against the run. It's one of the main reasons why people loved him.

I will say this, however, stay the hell away from WRs, CBs, and QBs who play in the B12.

It's fine if you want to draft other players from there. But that conference plays pattycake football in order to drive up the scores for eyeballs.

The weird thing is that the Patriots barely ever take anyone from the B12.

Marcus Jones from Houston was the only one on the roster...

...until we took Caleb Lomu (Utah) and Namdi Obiazor

Though Lomu came in and played Pac12 football until the switch.

1 PLAYER FROM THE B12 UNTIL THIS YEAR!!!

 

[Pape]

I never liked Talib though.

Good player but he always reminded me of Adebisi from Oz ...

 

[Real fan 02]

@Zuma was just telling me how "good" he was in 2025...

@Zuma

Nine 1st-round picks from the 2023 NFL Draft had their fifth-year options declined:

• No. 4: Anthony Richardson
• No. 7: Tyree Wilson
• No. 14: Broderick Jones
• No. 16: Emmanuel Forbes
• No. 18: Jack Campbell
• No. 24: Deonte Banks
• No. 26: Mazi Smith
• No. 28: Myles Murphy
• No. 31: Felix Anudike-Uzomah

All nine are now entering the final year of their rookie contracts and are scheduled to become free agents next offseason. https://share.google/NK4KprWpsC42zcnEP

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It's really funny to think that Belichick's trade for a 4th rounder blew up both the Jets and the Steelers and caused both teams to fail and strikeout.

It still wasn't worth the risk of losing Gonzalez but in retrospect, that trade saved the Patriots (who might've taken Forbes) and killed the Jets and Steelers.

That was maybe the most successful accidental trade in Patriots history.

Given the return on that trade, it is all but certain that it was Belichick rather than PIT who made the phone call.

That implies that either (A) he saw little chance that they would lose out on Gonzalez, or (B) that he had some other player(s) ranked more or less equally, and knew one of them would make it to 17.

 

[Real fan 02]

Good player but he always reminded me of Adebisi from Oz ...

AFCCG.. coach I can't go..

 

[Triumph]

Good player but he always reminded me of Adebisi from Oz ...

Talib was serviceable.

Definitely not in the same conversation as Gonso or Gilmore.

 

[upstater1]

Given the return on that trade, it is all but certain that it was Belichick rather than PIT who made the phone call.

That implies that either (A) he saw little chance that they would lose out on Gonzalez, or (B) that he had some other player(s) ranked more or less equally, and knew one of them would make it to 17.

It would have been the Jets who took Jones and strikeout, and we don't know who the Steelers would've taken. Looking at them now, the Steelers probably would've taken Gonzalez if he were there.

 

[Zuma]

@Zuma

Nine 1st-round picks from the 2023 NFL Draft had their fifth-year options declined:

• No. 4: Anthony Richardson
• No. 7: Tyree Wilson
• No. 14: Broderick Jones
• No. 16: Emmanuel Forbes
• No. 18: Jack Campbell
• No. 24: Deonte Banks
• No. 26: Mazi Smith
• No. 28: Myles Murphy
• No. 31: Felix Anudike-Uzomah

All nine are now entering the final year of their rookie contracts and are scheduled to become free agents next offseason. https://share.google/NK4KprWpsC42zcnEP

That's crazy Bro. I'm not sure how well all of them have played since entering the league but a huge part of development and fit has to do with the coaches and culture. I feel sorry for rookies drafted to teams like the Jets where 9 times out of 10...they fail.

 

[Real fan 02]

That's crazy Bro. I'm not sure how well all of them have played since entering the league but a huge part of development and fit has to do with the coaches and culture. I feel sorry for rookies drafted to teams like the Jets where 9 times out of 10...they fail.

Yeah brother you're absolutely right. Vera-Tucker and Dre Jones for example guys that were at dysfunctional organizations Jets and titans.. recently said in thier interviews how they can't wait to taste the playoffs here. This is what I love about Vrabel how he gets veterans sold and bought in.. once the veterans are then the job to get rookies is easier to follow. From Vrabel down to the last position coach all are in unison. This is what creates a winning culture and player development.

 

[Toofy]

Given the return on that trade, it is all but certain that it was Belichick rather than PIT who made the phone call.

That implies that either (A) he saw little chance that they would lose out on Gonzalez, or (B) that he had some other player(s) ranked more or less equally, and knew one of them would make it to 17.

That's why I don't want to give credit for bill for gonzo pick . It was a super risky trade which could have lost us gonzo and we might have ended up with another player whose 5th year option we might have declined.

Who knows maybe it was forbes that bill had in mind.

 

[Toofy]

@Zuma

Nine 1st-round picks from the 2023 NFL Draft had their fifth-year options declined:

• No. 4: Anthony Richardson
• No. 7: Tyree Wilson
• No. 14: Broderick Jones
• No. 16: Emmanuel Forbes
• No. 18: Jack Campbell
• No. 24: Deonte Banks
• No. 26: Mazi Smith
• No. 28: Myles Murphy
• No. 31: Felix Anudike-Uzomah

All nine are now entering the final year of their rookie contracts and are scheduled to become free agents next offseason. https://share.google/NK4KprWpsC42zcnEP

That's roughly 70% of first rounders who decently panned out.

Great draft class.

Gonzo is the first one I. Years we have extended after wynn I think.

Sony Michel, Harry, strange , Mac jones - first rounders that we did not extend .

So 20% strike rate for first rounders . Below par drafting .

 

[Real fan 02]

That's why I don't want to give credit for bill for gonzo pick . It was a super risky trade which could have lost us gonzo and we might have ended up with another player whose 5th year option we might have declined.

Who knows maybe it was forbes that bill had in mind.

This. And also it's a huge factor in a player's development as to the type organization they get drafted into.. Washington, Tennessee, NYJ all had organizational dysfunction for many years especially the Jets!

 

[Real fan 02]

That's roughly 70% of first rounders who decently panned out.

Great draft class.

Gonzo is the first one I. Years we have extended after wynn I think.

Sony Michel, Harry, strange , Mac jones - first rounders that we did not extend .

So 20% strike rate for first rounders . Below par drafting .

Cyrus Jones as well I believe we didn't extend.

 

[Toofy]

Cyrus Jones as well I believe we didn't extend.

He's second rounder...

 

[PatsFan2]

Forbes was a run support CB in college. One of the best scouting takes on him was that he was laying out people and very aggressive against the run. It's one of the main reasons why people loved him.

I will say this, however, stay the hell away from WRs, CBs, and QBs who play in the B12.

It's fine if you want to draft other players from there. But that conference plays pattycake football in order to drive up the scores for eyeballs.

The weird thing is that the Patriots barely ever take anyone from the B12.

Marcus Jones from Houston was the only one on the roster...

...until we took Caleb Lomu (Utah) and Namdi Obiazor

Though Lomu came in and played Pac12 football until the switch.

1 PLAYER FROM THE B12 UNTIL THIS YEAR!!!

I get what you're saying: but I think that last year's and this year's Drafts might have bucked the WR downward trend a little. Higgins and Noel plus Tyson this year look like good ones.

 

[Real fan 02]

He's second rounder...

Thanks for that toofy.. for some reason not sure why I'm thinking he was a first.

 

[upstater1]

I get what you're saying: but I think that last year's and this year's Drafts might have bucked the WR downward trend a little. Higgins and Noel plus Tyson this year look like good ones.

They always look good but they never produce.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Thanks for that toofy.. for some reason not sure why I'm thinking he was a first.

He was their first pick that year, thanks to IdealGasLawgate.

 

[PatsFan2]

They always look good but they never produce.

That's the way I feel about Tennessee WR's in the SEC...just run away from the thought of selecting them.