How long do you think RG3 will last in the NFL?

[Deus Irae]

I fell asleep in my chair and woke up to this on my screen:

According to Chris Mortensen of ESPN, Griffin will undergo “total reconstruction” surgery early Wednesday morning to repair complete tears to his ACL and LCL. Dr. James Andrews will perform the surgery and he is expected to miss six to eight months. Mortensen reported at 1:03 a.m. ET that the surgery would take place in “about six hours” placing the actual time of the surgery somewhere around 7 a.m. ET.

Report: Robert Griffin III out 6-8 months with complete ACL, LCL tears | ProFootballTalk

Best of luck to Mr. Griffin.

 

[supafly]

Obviously we can't predict the future of RG3, but if I had to bet I would choose the wager that states he'll recover just fine and go on to have a career that isn't necessarily "great," but one that leads his team to some successful seasons and playoff berths, while making some incredible plays along the way.

I'm not completely sold on his ability in all passing aspects as much as say, Andrew Luck, but he brings a different kind of component to the game with his ability to scramble and make plays out of nothing, which is not only exciting but often successful.

Like any other player his success obviously depends on the team and talent around him, so he could end up being the 2012 version of RG3, or he could be the current version of Cam Newton (plus), depending upon what the future holds. I'd guess that he recovers though, and that it's one of the bigger stories of the summer and into training camp.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Turns out it's a complete tear of the LCL and the previously reconstructed ACL. They are predicting 6-8 month recovery barring complications, based on recent success stories. However those either involved only the ACL or mcl which heals easier/faster than the LCL which is the major ligament that stabilizes the knee from sliding off center from the outside. And they are in less easily charted territory considering this is the second full ACL reconstruction on the same knee in 3 years. Reconstructed ACL's are supposed to be stronger than the one you're born with once healed.

Heard Shanny in an interview with earlier trying to make the case that after watching film all of the injuries probably happened simultaneously when he was sacked just before the fumbled snap. Hogwash. His point in attempting to identify that as the breaking point for both tears is to get the entire sideline off the hook for allowing him to continue to play after that sideline tackle he came up dragging the leg from. Claiming that following the sack he never came out and there was no stoppage of play in which to re-assess him prior to the ensuing muffed snap and fumble. Someone in the Washington media should have the stones to suggest he administer himself a lie detector test like he used to players in Denver...

He (and Andrews) will be very cooperative with the national media who love him (them) going forward so they will continue to be absolved of responsibility. This kid was never assessed on the sidelines following that sideline hit. And any trainer worth employing can assess the kind of instability a torn LCL or ACL caused without benefit of MRI...hell, most TV observers can simply by watching the assessment...

Sources -- Robert Griffin III of Washington Redskins to have ACL, LCL surgery, could be ready for opener - ESPN

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Obviously we can't predict the future of RG3, but if I had to bet I would choose the wager that states he'll recover just fine and go on to have a career that isn't necessarily "great," but one that leads his team to some successful seasons and playoff berths, while making some incredible plays along the way.

I'm not completely sold on his ability in all passing aspects as much as say, Andrew Luck, but he brings a different kind of component to the game with his ability to scramble and make plays out of nothing, which is not only exciting but often successful.

Like any other player his success obviously depends on the team and talent around him, so he could end up being the 2012 version of RG3, or he could be the current version of Cam Newton (plus), depending upon what the future holds. I'd guess that he recovers though, and that it's one of the bigger stories of the summer and into training camp.

He's going to have a hard time getting back to being what he was let alone refocusing on his passing game any time soon. His entire 2013 offseason will be rehab. Then there is the mental hurdle of playing on a now twice reconstructed knee to overcome. We've seen first hand that recovering from any ACL surgery can be a process. AP would appear to be the recent exception to that rule, but the position he plays translates easier than say a QB or WR once rehabbed or drafted.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I fell asleep in my chair and woke up to this on my screen:



Report: Robert Griffin III out 6-8 months with complete ACL, LCL tears | ProFootballTalk

Best of luck to Mr. Griffin.

Ditto. And don't think this revelation wasn't leaked after most of the east coast was unconscious for no reason...

 

[ausbacker]

He's going to have a hard time getting back to being what he was let alone refocusing on his passing game any time soon. His entire 2013 offseason will be rehab. Then there is the mental hurdle of playing on a now twice reconstructed knee to overcome. We've seen first hand that recovering from any ACL surgery can be a process. AP would appear to be the recent exception to that rule, but the position he plays translates easier than say a QB or WR once rehabbed or drafted.

RG3 is 22 (soon to be 23) and going in for his second major knee operation. That doesn't bode well for the future.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery to RG3.

 

[supafly]

He's going to have a hard time getting back to being what he was let alone refocusing on his passing game any time soon. His entire 2013 offseason will be rehab. Then there is the mental hurdle of playing on a now twice reconstructed knee to overcome. We've seen first hand that recovering from any ACL surgery can be a process. AP would appear to be the recent exception to that rule, but the position he plays translates easier than say a QB or WR once rehabbed or drafted.

I was not aware of the implications and specifics of the LCL and the job that it does, so that may make more sense to some of the doom and gloom reports. I can't help but think that some of the reports are trying to drum up drama, so that's where I am leery. Although it is a serious nature, I am wondering if some of the media outlets are trying to make a mountain out of a...smaller mountain (not a mole hill in this instance).

You are certainly right in pointing out that he may not be able to run nearly as effectively, and that is his bread and butter. While his deep ball sure looks good, I'm not completely sold that he has enough of what it takes in the NFL passing wise, as far as smarts, experience, and progressions etc go.

How the Redskins will approach their offense will go a long way toward his perceived falloff of next season. They depend on the run game so much and have been extremely successful in doing so, that they don't even really have to pass that much (although I saw that only going so far myself). If he's able to throw a bit in a scheme that based to shorter, quicker passes, they may be able to achieve something around the same record with some improvements on defense, which was already competitive.

At any rate, good luck to him, as he seems to be a good natured guy from all accounts.

 

[mayoclinic]

I fell asleep in my chair and woke up to this on my screen:



Report: Robert Griffin III out 6-8 months with complete ACL, LCL tears | ProFootballTalk

Best of luck to Mr. Griffin.

As predicted, not the partial tear scenario initially suggested, though it may not make much difference to his recovery scenario.

 

[patsfan-1982]

i wish him the best of luck but most of the running type QB's turn into mike vick after a few years just a average QB

 

[letekro]

Ditto. And don't think this revelation wasn't leaked after most of the east coast was unconscious for no reason...

The rare triple negative! Well played!

 

[shmessy]

The rare triple negative! Well played!

Quadruple, actually! "Unconcious" could count as a negative also!

 

[Fencer]

Throughout the years there were qb's that could run. It's funny that the media makes up the dumb headlines like having a mobile qb is a brand new concept.

Top 10 mobile quarterbacks in NFL history

With the sole exception of Steve Young, the QBs on that list who were highly successful didn't illustrate their mobility via rushing plays.

I actually think of Elway, who was somewhere between a Big Ben and a Steve Young type, and who prospered under ... Shanahan. That's probably Shanahan's mental model for QB toughness.

 

[Fencer]

The problem is that one rushing play can be the equivalent of several sacks or knockdowns in terms of taking hits. With the precision a QB needs in using various body parts, I don't see how he can take that kind of punishment and be/remain a top-notch passer.

 

[Bella*chick]

He's going to have a hard time getting back to being what he was let alone refocusing on his passing game any time soon. His entire 2013 offseason will be rehab. Then there is the mental hurdle of playing on a now twice reconstructed knee to overcome. We've seen first hand that recovering from any ACL surgery can be a process. AP would appear to be the recent exception to that rule, but the position he plays translates easier than say a QB or WR once rehabbed or drafted.

I read that Peterson also had freakish genetics. As in, when his knee was opened up for surgery, Andrews said it was "like a newborn baby's" in that it didn't have the wear and tear you'd expect (besides the injury, of course). That's gotta help you bounce back. Griffin's knee situation is a tad different.

 

[PatriotSeven]

He came out strong, but Aikman even noted he looked worse during pregame warmups than he did during the Dallas game. Bottom line he went down twice without contact. They were trying to say his knee was 100% (and if it was a grade 1 LCL sprain it should have been close to that by now as they said that's a 2-4 week recovery) and the brace was precautionary. It so clearly was not. 100% knees do not go out like that.

I've seen guys tear their ACL on plays a lot less dangerous than that one. See Santonio Holmes.


Tears aren't about the hit. They are about over-extensions and the way he fell there, with his ankle twisted on the side and shin caught up underneath is no joke. Not to mention his ACL was already reconstructed in college and having already sprained his LCL.

I hope he does recover within 8 months but it sounds awfully optimistic considering its both his LCL and ACL and this is now his second ACL reconstruction. Bring him back too early, and it will be as stupid as letting him play in that game especially with the dirtier defensive players out there wanting to "test" his knee.

 

[Bella*chick]

yeah, it's a complete knee reconstruction on a knee that already had the ACL repaired. 6-8 months sounds....almost like someone who wants everyone to think he could be back for next year while this issue still has so many people pissed off. Then as time goes on, and people accept it and calm down, people can get more realistic.

One more injury to that knee and he's done for sure. Really sad.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Quadruple, actually! "Unconcious" could count as a negative also!

True, although I believe that sentence is missing an "until."

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The problem is that one rushing play can be the equivalent of several sacks or knockdowns in terms of taking hits. With the precision a QB needs in using various body parts, I don't see how he can take that kind of punishment and be/remain a top-notch passer.

When the news came out on Monday, someone on ESPN Radio basically said two things:

(1) RG3 has the throwing ability to become more of a pocket passer (à la Brady and Manning) than a dual-threat QB (à la RG3 in 2012).

(2) The Redskins are, for all practical purposes, running a college offense in the NFL. Given how NFL defenses evolve (see: neutering of Wildcat), and RG3's condition, they may have to revamp the offense soon.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

yeah, it's a complete knee reconstruction on a knee that already had the ACL repaired. 6-8 months sounds....almost like someone who wants everyone to think he could be back for next year while this issue still has so many people pissed off. Then as time goes on, and people accept it and calm down, people can get more realistic.

One more injury to that knee and he's done for sure. Really sad.

Very perceptive. I picked up on the same strategy. Stall the diagnosis until the first wave of critics gets their best shot in, distract critics by focusing on alternate scenarios concerning exactly when injuries occurred, then allow worst casers to create atmosphere to the point that best case scenario leaks lead positive thinkers to develop the dodged a bullit mentality.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I've seen guys tear their ACL on plays a lot less dangerous than that one. See Santonio Holmes.


Tears aren't about the hit. They are about over-extensions and the way he fell there, with his ankle twisted on the side and shin caught up underneath is no joke. Not to mention his ACL was already reconstructed in college and having already sprained his LCL.

I hope he does recover within 8 months but it sounds awfully optimistic considering its both his LCL and ACL and this is now his second ACL reconstruction. Bring him back too early, and it will be as stupid as letting him play in that game especially with the dirtier defensive players out there wanting to "test" his knee.

The LCL sprain and how they managed that was key. They failed to. That was likely amenable to healing on it's own given time to. But they didn't. And it being even stretched because of it's effect on stability made it ripe to set up a perfect storm situation where both it and shortly thereafter the ACL blew out altogether. The more common MCL injuries heal faster and impact ACL slightly less dramatically from an acute structural stability standpoint, yet guys routinely miss a couple of weeks and/or are limited in ways this kid never was. The way Cousin's performed in relief should have given Shanny both opportunity and pause on rushing this kid back. He took the cowards way out all around.