How confident are you that Jones is "the guy"?

[SouthernPatriot]

Yeah disagree with that. No way its 90 percent the OC. lol. I mean he is not wonderful, but You said it yourself, he does not have Brady, so a lot more of it is Mac is a rookie with 3 games under his belt. I am not sure there is an amazing way as a coach to just make that amazing. You are limited on exactly what you can do, the playbook is obviously not wide open.

It is real easy for an OC to look like a genius with a veteran future HOFer QB he is calling plays for. Heck I think about any OC could look good doing that.
The really good OCs are the ones that calls plays when they don't have this type QB. They are the ones that call the plays that fit the strength of their guy, not the last guy. They change it up when it isn't working, from possession to possession, quarter to quarter, half to half and game to game. They don't stay stuck in what they "think " is best and damn it they are going to make it work!
Same could be said for DCs too!
How many times have you seen teams lose simply because their OC or DC get stubborn in their way and not what is best for their players? I know I have seen it many times.

 

[sb1]

Mac to date under pressure. He's only getting 1.3 seconds on average before pocket collapses or throw (tied for 2nd least in the league). Blitzed 25 times, 7 hurries, 8 hits, 6 sacks, 3 scrambles on designed pass plays. I was sure these numbers were higher than this, they must be using a different criteria.

He doesn't get panicky happy feet like Stidham does under pressure but I wish he wouldn't throw off his back foot as much. He paid for it on his first INT. But there's absolutely no way you can answer the question either way about whether Mac is the guy if he's getting this kind of pressure every single game. How do you evaluate a guy that's facing this? It can't be done. And if Mac takes one too many of these hits and goes down for the year, the Pats are looking at being a team in the top 3 at the draft in April.
Fix it Bill.

I got the above from here.

2021 NFL Advanced Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

2021 NFL Advanced Stats

www.pro-football-reference.com

Those stats above were not up to date when I posted it those were from week 1 only.


This is week 1 and 2. Makes sense that the Jets game improved Mac's time he got in the pocket before pressure or throw to 2.4 seconds. I'm sure the Saints game will make these pressure numbers go way up for Mac.
2021 NFL Advanced Passing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[reflexblue]

The only flaw i see with jones is his intensity. Theres TFBrady intensity, when he loses a game he gets angry and pushes himself not to make the same mistake(s) the next game And then theres Mac Jones intensity where he sits on the sideline and mopes. He blames himself for the loss when most of it his not his fault, he channels the anger at himself instead of the next opponent. If he keeps this up it could affect his game.

 

[ausbacker]

The only flaw i see with jones is his intensity. Theres TFBrady intensity, when he loses a game he gets angry and pushes himself not to make the same mistake(s) the next game And then theres Mac Jones intensity where he sits on the sideline and mopes. He blames himself for the loss when most of it his not his fault, he channels the anger at himself instead of the next opponent. If he keeps this up it could affect his game.

Damien Harris cost him a sure thing with an end of game RZ fumble, the defence couldn't stop the Dolphins run game or the Saints when needed and Jonnu Smith went full r****d causing a pick 6, dropping almost everything thrown his way and missing a heap of blocks, the OC hasn't been calling good nor helpful games, and the OL is playing the worst it has in years and in spite of all that, the kid keeps playing. I'd be pissed off if I was Mac as he's doing almost everything we can ask for from a 3-game rookie.

 

[Pats1971]

Damien Harris cost him a sure thing with an end of game RZ fumble, the defence couldn't stop the Dolphins run game or the Saints when needed and Jonnu Smith went full r****d causing a pick 6, dropping almost everything thrown his way and missing a heap of blocks, the OC hasn't been calling good nor helpful games, and the OL is playing the worst it has in years and in spite of all that, the kid keeps playing. I'd be pissed off if I was Mac as he's doing almost everything we can ask for from a 3-game rookie.

Its like its everyone's fault except for the 27th ranked graded QB! Its amazing how after 20 years, its not the QB's fault anymore.

 

[ausbacker]

Its like its everyone's fault except for the 27th ranked graded QB! Its amazing how after 20 years, its not the QB's fault anymore.

What more do you want the kid to do? The OL is giving him next to no time to throw and he's in his third start while playing the best football of the five rookie QBs. He's right about where I expected him to be as I assumed there would be rookie growing pains however, I didn't expect the veterans and his teammates to perform as poorly as they have. I assumed there would be some chemistry problems that would be ironed out but the Patriots Do Your Job mantra is failing atm.

 

[TomPatriot]

What more do you want the kid to do? The OL is giving him next to no time to throw and he's in his third start while playing the best football of the five rookie QBs. He's right about where I expected him to be as I assumed there would be rookie growing pains however, I didn't expect the veterans and his teammates to perform as poorly as they have.

Plus, one of his receivers had the dropsies on Sunday.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Its like its everyone's fault except for the 27th ranked graded QB! Its amazing how after 20 years, its not the QB's fault anymore.

This is such a weird take. Mac is blowing everyone's expectations (except me). This rookie KILLS the blitz. He's already making audibles at the line. No QB since 1950 threw 30+ passes and had 70% completion in his first 2 games like Mac. Sometimes it IS as simple as the OLine has no pass protection and also, ahem, play calling

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[reflexblue]

Damien Harris cost him a sure thing with an end of game RZ fumble, the defence couldn't stop the Dolphins run game or the Saints when needed and Jonnu Smith went full r****d causing a pick 6, dropping almost everything thrown his way and missing a heap of blocks, the OC hasn't been calling good nor helpful games, and the OL is playing the worst it has in years and in spite of all that, the kid keeps playing. I'd be pissed off if I was Mac as he's doing almost everything we can ask for from a 3-game rookie.

I agree its not his fault, Mac has been one of the best if not the best player on offense, but he seems to blame himself for the team losing.

 

[Pats1971]

This is such a weird take. Mac is blowing everyone's expectations (except me). This rookie KILLS the blitz. He's already making audibles at the line. No QB since 1950 threw 30+ passes and had 70% completion in his first 2 games like Mac. Sometimes it IS as simple as the OLine has no pass protection and also, ahem, play calling

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I mean he is ok, he is not changing the game of football. He is not covering up mistakes, he is holding the ball too long, he seems confused at the line at times....or, he is acting like a player in his 3rd game ever. Most of this line, the playcalling, all this has been here for awhile

 

[DropKickFlutie]

It is real easy for an OC to look like a genius with a veteran future HOFer QB he is calling plays for. Heck I think about any OC could look good doing that.
The really good OCs are the ones that calls plays when they don't have this type QB. They are the ones that call the plays that fit the strength of their guy, not the last guy. They change it up when it isn't working, from possession to possession, quarter to quarter, half to half and game to game. They don't stay stuck in what they "think " is best and damn it they are going to make it work!
Same could be said for DCs too!
How many times have you seen teams lose simply because their OC or DC get stubborn in their way and not what is best for their players? I know I have seen it many times.

I think we're gonna become best buddies.

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[Pats1971]

What more do you want the kid to do? The OL is giving him next to no time to throw and he's in his third start while playing the best football of the five rookie QBs. He's right about where I expected him to be as I assumed there would be rookie growing pains however, I didn't expect the veterans and his teammates to perform as poorly as they have. I assumed there would be some chemistry problems that would be ironed out but the Patriots Do Your Job mantra is failing atm.

I dont want him to do anything, but I am not going to put him in canton just yet. He has played 3 games with mostly the same oline that the pats have had for awhile.

 

[ausbacker]

I dont want him to do anything, but I am not going to put him in canton just yet. He has played 3 games with mostly the same oline that the pats have had for awhile.

Who said anything about putting him in Canton? I happen to think he's the guy however, there's a lot of water to go under the bridge. As for the OL, so what? Poor form and player/unit regression happens all the time and that's precisely where the OL is at right now.

You're clutching at contrarian straws.

 

[Pats1971]

Who said anything about putting him in Canton? I happen to think he's the guy however, there's a lot of water to go under the bridge. As for the OL, so what? Poor form and player/unit regression happens all the time and that's precisely where the OL is at right now.

Its hard to say what the guy is after 3 games even if he had 15 td's right now. So you think the oline just started being bad, and it has nothing to do with pre snap calls, moving protection, holding the ball and the other 50 things rookie QB's do to get sacked a lot? Did you know he has been sacked 6 times this year. In 5 of them, he held the ball longer than 2.5 seconds, there has not been any insta sacks. Its speed of the game, indecision, and lack of experience. A QB has as much to do with getting sacked as the oline does.It didnt all of the sudden forget how to block, there was a change at QB

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Its hard to say what the guy is after 3 games even if he had 15 td's right now. So you think the oline just started being bad, and it has nothing to do with pre snap calls, moving protection, holding the ball and the other 50 things rookie QB's do to get sacked a lot? Did you know he has been sacked 6 times this year. In 5 of them, he held the ball longer than 2.5 seconds, there has not been any insta sacks. Its speed of the game, indecision, and lack of experience. A QB has as much to do with getting sacked as the oline does.It didnt all of the sudden forget how to block, there was a change at QB

Your posts have been weird/interesting. I imagine at the same time a senile 85 year old person who enjoys typing on the 'internets', at the same time you seem like an organizational stooge.

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[Pats1971]

Your posts have been weird/interesting. I imagine at the same time a senile 85 year old person who enjoys typing on the 'internets', at the same time you seem like an organizational stooge.

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Oh sorry....Ummm Its McDaniels fault. There is that better? Sorry I was you know, giving out information on what rookie QB's with no experience do. You can go look this up yourself if you can get your head out of McDaniels ass for 5 minutes.

 

[PatriotSpy]

McDaniels thought Tebow was good. let that sink in.

I'll believe in Mac when he starts playing better. maybe give him some good receivers?

 

[Pats1971]

McDaniels thought Tebow was good. let that sink in.

I'll believe in Mac when he starts playing better. maybe give him some good receivers?

So the 150 mil dollars they spent in the offseason didnt account for any good receivers? I mean to me, this receiving corp is freaking the 2000 Rams compared to the last two years.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I mean he is ok, he is not changing the game of football. He is not covering up mistakes, he is holding the ball too long, he seems confused at the line at times....or, he is acting like a player in his 3rd game ever. Most of this line, the playcalling, all this has been here for awhile

When you're hit within 2 seconds of the snap, literally as long as it takes to sprint from DLine to hit the QB from a 5 step drop, this is HORRIBLE. Dude stop pretending the OLine is fine. Your son Josh will definitely be OK in terms of finding another job.

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[Pats1971]

When you're hit within 2 seconds of the snap, literally as long as it takes to sprint from DLine to hit the QB from a 5 step drop, this is HORRIBLE. Dude stop pretending the OLine is fine. Your son Josh will definitely be OK in terms of finding another job.

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So he gets hit on every snap in 2 seconds> How did he get any passes off? I didnt say anything was fine, I said a 3 game experience QB is not helping it. Dude I dont like McDaniels that much either, but you take it to another level. Bill is keeping him around, Bill put this line together, maybe you should go ***** to him.