Hobbs bashes the Patriots and accuses players of faking injuries (merged)

[JD10367]

Re: Hobbs: "guys were faking injuries"

When people are in love, they think the world of each other.

When the relationship ends, they often hate each other's guts.

Thus, I could care less what sour grapes Hobbs has.

Hey, Ellis: you weren't as good as you think you were, and you're now getting big bucks to be a nickel back and your current team and fans are grumbling. I'd worry more about that, and less about what happened or didn't happen in New England.

 

[sieglo]

Re: Hobbs: "guys were faking injuries"

Hobbs busted his ass for the Pats while he was here. Say what you want about his talent, but he played hurt and he played hard. He contributed enormously on special teams. If you don't think he should have been a starting corner, take it up with BB and the personnel office -- cuz it ain't Hobbs' fault.

That being said, he should just keep his mouth shut about the Pats at this point.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Re: Hobbs: "guys were faking injuries"

funny how this talk gets fans riled up. it's just talk

 

[GullyFoyle]

Re: Hobbs: "guys were faking injuries"

True story; Hobbs once beat Maroney in a foot race to the locker room after practice;actually Maroney had the lead but ended up running into the wall because the door frame wasnt wide enough I guess

 

[maverick4]

Re: Hobbs: "guys were faking injuries"

I don't think it's big news for someone to say there are players not playing through pain. Look at how many players get injured on the Pats every year and miss games, it's doubtful that all of them are having true game-avoiding injuries.

The ones piling on Hobbs here are the ones who hated him in the first place before he said anything, kept quiet during the dozen other articles where he showed respect and praise for the team, and will still take any news article they can to trash him.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Re: Hobbs: "guys were faking injuries"

I don't think it's big news for someone to say there are players not playing through pain. Look at how many players get injured on the Pats every year and miss games, it's doubtful that all of them are having true game-avoiding injuries.

The ones piling on Hobbs here are the ones who hated him in the first place before he said anything, kept quiet during the dozen other articles where he showed respect and praise for the team, and will still take any news article they can to trash him.

very true.........

 

[PYPER]

Re: Hobbs: "guys were faking injuries"

He of course was referring to Brady who faked his injury to take the whole year off and go sailing the Bahamas with Gisele

I'm finding it hard to find error in Brady's thought process on that one.

 

[bagwell368]

Here I disagree DI. Boddin is a clear #! and a big upgrade. At best Hobbs would be the #2, and even there I think Wilhite has shown he has the skills to go by him, just not the experience.

Hobbs ideal position IMHO would be the inside slot CB, the nickel back, who is a virtual starter. He had neither the size nor strength to deal, on a consistent basis, with the bigger outside WRs in the league right now. Unfortunately BB never had the CB depth to put him in that position.

Hobbs earned EVERY dollar he got in his stay. He gave 100% at CB, plus was one of the best KO returners in the league. He was a VALUE pick. But as its been mentioned, he had an inflated opinion of his own worth, and was traided, BEFORE it became an issue.

If used as the nickel, I think he'll do well in Philly, however when it comes to getting the big bucks when his contract ends, I think he'll be disappointed with the offers he gets.

In the meantime, the Pats are better situated at CB than they have been in the BB era.

Hobbs is a loser. He got beat - again and again, accepted it, and whined about the safety help as a cop out. He did not earn his money IMO. I was ecstatic to see him go.

He's going to get burned to a crisp in Philly. If BB thought he was worth it as nickel, he'd still be here. BB is trying to root out the losers that have crept in the past 5 years. Watson is going to be gone shortly, and that will be the end of that.

BTW, ask yourself this, of the "names" that have left here since BB came, how many have done really well? Very few is the answer, and we have to get to the end of Samuels deal to decide on that one. Hobbs isn't going to make anyone sorry that he is gone.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Hobbs is a loser. He got beat - again and again, accepted it, and whined about the safety help as a cop out. He did not earn his money IMO. I was ecstatic to see him go.

He's going to get burned to a crisp in Philly. If BB thought he was worth it as nickel, he'd still be here. BB is trying to root out the losers that have crept in the past 5 years. Watson is going to be gone shortly, and that will be the end of that.

BTW, ask yourself this, of the "names" that have left here since BB came, how many have done really well? Very few is the answer, and we have to get to the end of Samuels deal to decide on that one. Hobbs isn't going to make anyone sorry that he is gone.

Vinatieri did awfully well after he left. Samuel has already made a Pro Bowl in his first season gone. Lawyer Milloy and Law both had plenty decent careers after they left. Bledsoe was an above-average starting QB post-Pats.

If you want a reason why most players that leave the Pats don't do well, it's because most of the guys that leave have major injury issues already or shortly after they leave (Law, Wilson, Gay, Givens, Branch, etc.), or the Pats didn't want them back because they were old (McGinest, Brown, Vrabel, Harrison, Dillon, etc.). In either case, it's not exactly news that these guys are on the decline. It's universally known, and expected, and has far, far more to do with their physical health than the Patriots' scheme.

There is very little precedent for healthy guys anywhere near the prime of their career leaving. When those guys have moved, there is definitely a precedent for succeeding: Samuel, Vinatieri, Bledsoe. Alternately, there are guys who get hurt almost immediately after moving, which is just crap luck: Givens and Branch.

Yes, Belichick is great at evaluating talent, doesn't overpay, and gets the most out of his players. But this myth that he takes JAGs and makes them good is overblown. In the likely case that Seymour and/or Wilfork leave after this season, we'll see one or both of them succeed in their new home too.

As for your awesome analysis about Hobbs, I'm curious to know where you got all of this information from. What does Hobbs do that makes him a loser? He plays hard and plays hurt, and is one of the best KRs in the NFL- not his fault that he was asked to be a #1 CB.

The only evidence that you offered to support your stupid and blatantly wrong premise is that he "whines about how he was supposed to have safety help" after the fact. Newsflash, genius: he doesn't do that. Whenever that's been brought to public attention, it's been brought up by Belichick, not Hobbs.

 

[captain stone]

Re: Hobbs: "guys were faking injuries"

I think it may be a dig at Seymour,and Watson. Both are perceived as tankers, true or not.

Besides Seymour & Watson, the other suspects may include CJack, Dave Thomas, LaMa, Kaczur, Wright, Geno Wilson, Alexander, Colvin, Morris & Gay.

I'm not saying that any or all of the above are the fakers to whom Hobbs was referring; I'm just trying to list those who have missed some time over the past 4 years.

 

[GullyFoyle]

Re: Hobbs: "guys were faking injuries"

Besides Seymour & Watson, the other suspects may include CJack, Dave Thomas, LaMa, Kaczur, Wright, Geno Wilson, Alexander, Colvin, Morris & Gay.

I'm not saying that any or all of the above are the fakers to whom Hobbs was referring; I'm just trying to list those who have missed some time over the past 4 years.

I think you may be dead on about CJack

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Re: Hobbs: "guys were faking injuries"

I think trying to figure out who Hobbs is talking about is a waste of time. If BB thought anyone on the team was faking an injury, they wouldnt be on the team long.
Hobbs played hard, he played hurt and he played his best, unfortunately his best isnt all that good. Thank you for service Ellis but good bye and good luck.

 

[bagwell368]

BradyFTW issues various comments, to which I reply:


AV did well with money, but has missed a lot more kicks since he left and has been booed by Colt fans more then a few times.

Samuel better make 3 or 4 pro bowls to justify that salary.

Milloy at best had a decent career, but not when compared to his salary.

Law had one real good year and one good year and mostly bounced around.

Bledsoe was a dog after he left, he won nothing, and led no team anyplace, other then a quick trip home at the end of the year. And he was paid a ton of money for that.

Whatever the reason, most of the guys that are gone have done nothing, or didn't do enough to justify the money others paid. Thanks for agreeing.

Bledsoe did not leave in the prime of his career, not even close. It's well known that BB had already decided to make the switch to Brady in '01 because Bledsoe was "shell shocked", and the injury Drew had percipitated the change.

Seymour is getting old, and could end up being injured a lot - here or elsewhere. Wilfork would do well elsewhere, and stay healthy IMO.

Hobbs is a good KR. All you have to do is watch film of Hobbs. He gives too much cushion. He can't close that well, he misses tackles, he misses assignments all the time. He has gotten torched big time in the playoffs. If he was worth the salary, he'd still be here. BB figures he is not, and hence he is gone. I guess I should genuflect since obviously you know more then BB.

I don't know what you are looking at, or why you worship at the feet of Hobbs, but, it's really sickening, get help. And I have a great memory, I'll be back to chortle when he becomes a whipping boy of the Philly fans.

 

[BradyFTW!]

BradyFTW issues various comments, to which I reply:


AV did well with money, but has missed a lot more kicks since he left and has been booed by Colt fans more then a few times.

Samuel better make 3 or 4 pro bowls to justify that salary.

Milloy at best had a decent career, but not when compared to his salary.

Law had one real good year and one good year and mostly bounced around.

Bledsoe was a dog after he left, he won nothing, and led no team anyplace, other then a quick trip home at the end of the year. And he was paid a ton of money for that.

Whatever the reason, most of the guys that are gone have done nothing, or didn't do enough to justify the money others paid. Thanks for agreeing.

Bledsoe did not leave in the prime of his career, not even close. It's well known that BB had already decided to make the switch to Brady in '01 because Bledsoe was "shell shocked", and the injury Drew had percipitated the change.

Seymour is getting old, and could end up being injured a lot - here or elsewhere. Wilfork would do well elsewhere, and stay healthy IMO.

Hobbs is a good KR. All you have to do is watch film of Hobbs. He gives too much cushion. He can't close that well, he misses tackles, he misses assignments all the time. He has gotten torched big time in the playoffs. If he was worth the salary, he'd still be here. BB figures he is not, and hence he is gone. I guess I should genuflect since obviously you know more then BB.

I don't know what you are looking at, or why you worship at the feet of Hobbs, but, it's really sickening, get help. And I have a great memory, I'll be back to chortle when he becomes a whipping boy of the Philly fans.

Moving goalposts much? You said that nobody who leaves the Patriots does very well- does it take 3 or 4 pro bowls to be considered 'doing well' now? If that's how ridiculous you have to make your arguments to hold up your flimsy point, then you've already lost it.

In Bledsoe's first year in Buffalo, he threw for 4300 yards, 24 TDs, 15 INTs, and an 86 QB rating. Anyone without an axe to grind would consider that 'doing well'. And that was his career high in yards and 1.7 points off of his career high in QB rating, so saying that he was nowhere near his prime is just stupid.

Belichick decided to switch to Brady because Brady was a better QB, regardless of what year it was. It had absolutely nothing to do with Bledsoe being past his prime, and was all about Bledsoe not having the skill-set that Belichick desired. If you're going to have an attitude, you should probably have a clue what you're talking about first.

You just admitted that Law had at least one 'real good year', so that's another guy who did pretty well.

Vinatieri hit multiple clutch FGs in the regular season and the playoffs to help the Colts win the SB the year that he left. That's exactly what they brought him over to do.

As far as 'worshipping at Hobbs' feet', get a clue. I've pretty firmly established how I feel about Hobbs: A pretty good CB who was overmatched against a lot of #1 receivers. If he's your #1 CB, your secondary is in trouble. It's hardly his fault, though, that he was asked to play a role that he wasn't ideally suited for. He did everything that he could to help the team, including playing through injuries that other guys would never have played with. And I fully expect that Philly fans will boo the hell out of Hobbs- they booed Santa Claus, FFS.

What makes you think Wilfork will stay healthy whereas Seymour won't? Over the last couple of years, Seymour has had exactly one significant injury (his knee, which he sustained while playing fullback), and last year demonstrated that he's back to 100%. Seymour's 29, btw- on what planet is that considered old?

Heh, you didn't make a single coherent point throughout your two posts, which is pretty much what I expected after your stellar start.

 

[efin98]

Moving goalposts much? You said that nobody who leaves the Patriots does very well- does it take 3 or 4 pro bowls to be considered 'doing well' now? If that's how ridiculous you have to make your arguments to hold up your flimsy point, then you've already lost it.

In Bledsoe's first year in Buffalo, he threw for 4300 yards, 24 TDs, 15 INTs, and an 86 QB rating. Anyone without an axe to grind would consider that 'doing well'. And that was his career high in yards and 1.7 points off of his career high in QB rating, so saying that he was nowhere near his prime is just stupid.

Bledsoe went to the Pro Bowl in 2002, he also had another good year in 2005 with 3639 yards, 23 TDs, 17 INTs that should have sent him to the Pro Bowl.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Im still waiting for someone to explain why this thread is titled "hobbs bashes Patriots" ???? where did he bash them? This whole thread is just another excuse to bash a former Patriot. Some of you people need get a clue. Oh, and i love the argument about Hobbs giving 10 yard cushions. I guess people werent watching last weeks game

 

[supafly]

Re: Hobbs: "guys were faking injuries"

Nothing there is 'classless'. Frankly, if it's true, it's something ownership and the staff needs to eliminate. It's also true that he played with all sorts of injuries and the fans crucified him if his play suffered even slightly as a result. The man was playing the Super Bowl with multiple injuries and was left on an island against a much bigger receiver and still did a solid job for most of that game, yet Hobbs gets pummeled because of Manning to Burress for the touchdown on an all-out blitz where the other 10 guys failed to get to the QB.

I agree with Deus here, no doubt.

I think most find Hobbs as the goat of SB42, but he helped hold Burress to one catch before being left on an island by himself. And we all know that if 1 of about 20 different things happen in that game, the Pats win and it's a truely perfect season.

I thought Hobbs held his own many times, but was the product of an injury riddled year, and a very poor pass rush last season. It's too bad that most will either remember him for the SB catch, or last season's poor secondary.

As far as his comments go, yes he's somewhat ****y, but he's already praised his former team time and time again. I agree he probably shouldn't be talking about anything negative, but for the most these comments aren't really anything to get that bent out of shape about.

And no, he wasn't Duane Starks or Deltha O'Neal--not even close.

 

[Deus Irae]

Im still waiting for someone to explain why this thread is titled "hobbs bashes Patriots" ???? where did he bash them? This whole thread is just another excuse to bash a former Patriot. Some of you people need get a clue. Oh, and i love the argument about Hobbs giving 10 yard cushions. I guess people werent watching last weeks game

You're trying to let facts get in the way of the Patsfans.com lynch mob.

 

[Joker]

ok...who's got some lynch?

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Re: Hobbs: "guys were faking injuries"

holy sh*t! this might be a record. We have two threads bashing Hobbs going at the same time. :deadhorse: :ugh: