Good, comprehensive take on Solder's possible retirement after 2017 by Bedard

[Ring 6]

Cannon was far far better and wasn't he healthy both seasons?

No cannon played with a nasty foot injury in 2015

 

[Ring 6]

By the playoffs though, wasn't he fine? It's clear it was not health that was the difference between Cannon last year and in 2015. He was a totally different player. He wrecked Von Miller this season.

No he was playing hurt.

 

[captain insano]

What a dumb article. Bedard is a jackass as usual.

some people pay to read that crap to. unbelievable lol.

 

[Ring 6]

And they dumped Stork, and replaced him with Andrews who was 10-0 as a starter before being benched for Stork when Stork came back from injury.

Stork being the head-bob guy in the AFCCG.

Waiting for that.

The head bob is not stork or the OL coaches fault.

When you are in no huddle you have to choose a "trigger". Sometimes the QB raises and stamps his foot. I recently saw a reply of a game, don't remember which where the LG tapped the C leg. In this case, as is normal it was the head bob by the center.

You have a trigger and then a silent "count" after it. (The head bob works because more offensive players can see it and time up the snap to the silent count)
The problem is that whoever calls the snap count has to vary it.
That is not stork or the ol coaches job.

Additionally it is common to change the trigger during a game which it seems we never did.

This was a josh McDaniel and/or Tom Brady issue.

 

[Ring 6]

All I know is they paid a heavy price to move up and draft Garcia. They probably wouldn't have done that if they felt he was going to be a mere back up for the next 3-4 years.

That being said is Solder does retire and Garcia starts on the upside that is about 10M in savings to spend elsewhere though I would be concerned about the OL.

Heavy price?

I don't understand why people assume moves are made for just the reason they are thinking of.
Draft picks are made if there is uncertainty about the future if a position, for example solder may have huge salary demands for what could be his last contract. Or they could be worried potentially about his health.
Or they realize a 3rd tackle is important.
Or they just thought the player was by far the best on the board.

 

[Nehalem]

By the playoffs though, wasn't he fine? It's clear it was not health that was the difference between Cannon last year and in 2015. He was a totally different player. He wrecked Von Miller this season.

Patriots - Broncos Injury Report

It would appear you are right. He wasn't listed on the injury report.

 

[Froob]

No he was playing hurt.

It was still by far the best we've ever seen from Cannon.

 

[Ring 6]

It was still by far the best we've ever seen from Cannon.

Sure but what is your point?
Can't fault his coach that he didn't play well with a severe injury.

 

[RDS11]

Not offering someone another contract when their contract expires is not firing them.
Saying you think it's equivalent does not make it the same thing.
Acting like I am wrong to use proper definitions of words is your problem.

Well, then you need to get a dictionary, because firing is defined as the dismissal of an employee from a job.

And dismissal is defined as the act of ordering or allowing someone to leave.

So again, you are right in your own little world.

 

[Nehalem]

Sure but what is your point?
Can't fault his coach that he didn't play well with a severe injury.

He wasn't even one of the 21 Patriots on the injury report for the AFCCG.

 

[Ring 6]

Well, then you need to get a dictionary, because firing is defined as the dismissal of an employee from a job.

And dismissal is defined as the act of ordering or allowing someone to leave.

So again, you are right in your own little world.

Seriously?
You are kidding right?
When you are hired for a job in a 2 year contract and that contract expires you can't be fired, dismissed from a job etc because your job is finished.

Your arrogant response is funny because you are completely wrong.

His contract expired. The parties did not agree to enter into a new one.
That is not being fired.

 

[Ring 6]

He wasn't even one of the 21 Patriots on the injury report for the AFCCG.

So. He came back and was able to play but he was playing with a major injury that limited his ability to move.
werent you following the team that year?
It was a foot injury that had him in pain and limited his footwork. He played through it and his play suffered.
You can't argue against reality.

 

[Kontradiction]

"Essentially" because they didn't actually.
And I'm not defending him I am objecting to your characterization that BB conceded he made a bad hire by moving on.
He likely made the best hire he could and the team was very successful in those seasons.


Dante wanted to come back. Dante is the best.
The OL sucked at the end of 2015 because they were decimated by injuries not because if coaching gaffes.



Right because BB didn't know anything 2 weeks before reporters.


No he didn't. They mutually agreed to not sign a new contract. His ****raxt ran out. That is not a firing.




Not at all. I'm sure he wanted the best guy he could get. We don't know he didn't do that yet still wanted to upgrade if possible. That dorsnt mean he regrets the choice or had a better alternative avc the results say those were 2 pretty good years.





The broncos were a JV squad?
Wow.
Actiallly the healthy players he wasxledy with to coach were a JV squad and the broncos were one of the best NFL varsity defenses.

LOL.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Scar goes I'm fretting immediately

I dont know why. The heavy lifting to create a new generation Offensive line has been done. A superior LOT was found and trained. A RT was groomed.

An IOL offensive line was created from higher draft picks than usually allocated there. Even a few potential future stars were discovered there. This year depth was addressed at Tackle, and maybe at G.

Scar had a year off to re-cooperate; and sacrificial lamb Googs broke in all the line rookies.

The team is fine there now for 4 or 5 seasons.

 

[RDS11]

Seriously?
You are kidding right?
When you are hired for a job in a 2 year contract and that contract expires you can't be fired, dismissed from a job etc because your job is finished.

Your arrogant response is funny because you are completely wrong.

His contract expired. The parties did not agree to enter into a new one.
That is not being fired.

Except the English language says it is. You can argue until you are blue in the face, that's the exact definition of being fired. Funny how you think someone pointing out that you're flat wrong is 'arrogant'.

January 24 2016 : Brady is hit 20 times (most hits on a QB in any NFL game in 10 years)
January 25 2016 : The Patriots announced Goog will not return.

Yep, sure looks like this was a mutual decision !!!

 

[bbobbo]

whether it was a "firing" or "non-renewal of a contract," can we all agree that belichick didn't want deguglielmo back for a third season? is that good enough for everyone?
.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I look at Cannon in 2016 and then compare him to 2015 and I think its pretty self evident that Goog was incapable of coaching up his players. But then again you'd have to actually look at game tape and watch the stance and the technique the OL were using. It is so much more comfortable to just say things without doing any work.



Again. Goog did in essence nothing in 2015. We had no major injuries and all starters were trained by Scar. Once Wendell and Connolly suddenly disappeared and Goog had to coach techniques to young players everything started to fall apart.

Finally, if makes no sense to keep Daboll the entire ****ing year as a OL understudy if he really was the wrong person to do it. Especially, considering that he took over TEs who have a decent amount of overlap with OL when it comes to stances and blocking techniques.

But whatever. BB can never be wrong of course.

 

[Kontradiction]

Except the English language says it is. You can argue until you are blue in the face, that's the exact definition of being fired. Funny how you think someone pointing out that you're flat wrong is 'arrogant'.

January 25 2016 : Brady is hit 20 times (most hits on a QB in any NFL game in 10 years)
January 26 2016 : The Patriots announced Goog will not return.

Yep, sure looks like this was a mutual decision !!!

Exactly. It's just one word salad after another word salad from Andy in order to avoid what's looking him right in the face. If Belichick thought Googe was any good, there would have been no need to bring Dante back. Interest in returning or not. You don't just let any coach that is worth his weight in salt walk. Googe sucked, Belichick realized that, and let him walk.

 

[Ring 6]

Except the English language says it is. You can argue until you are blue in the face, that's the exact definition of being fired. Funny how you think someone pointing out that you're flat wrong is 'arrogant'.

No that's the point. You are wrong. When his contract expires his JOB ENDED. the agreement was done. He would have to be rehired.
You cannot be fired from a job you do not have.
Surely you are capable of understanding this.
It happens in every field when contracts expire. You go back and renegotiate a new one. Or you don't. It's really pretty simple but if you want to use something that didn't happen and call it the definition of what happened you are stuck being wrong.

January 24 2016 : Brady is hit 20 times (most hits on a QB in any NFL game in 10 years)
January 25 2016 : The Patriots announced Goog will not return.

Yep, sure looks like this was a mutual decision !!!

That's what it was called.

 

[Ring 6]

whether it was a "firing" or "non-renewal of a contract," can we all agree that belichick didn't want deguglielmo back for a third season? is that good enough for everyone?
.

Yup