Free Agent Signings around the League

[OhExaulted1]

I compare Austin to Vincent Brisby in term of hammy issues.

That's going back a ways.

 

[DaBruinz]

Like I said make a list, compare the good with the bad here I will help –

2012 draft

Jones
Hightower
Wilson
Bequette
Ebner
Dennard
Ebert

42% success rate

2013 UFA

D. Jones
Wilson
Amendola
Kelly
Jenkins
Benard
Armstead
Tebow
Hawkins

Who was a success, Kelly, and that is being nice even saying a guy who played 5 games was a success. Success rate 11.11%.

Take a look at other teams, the Seahawks, 49ers, Colts, and others they are doing much better.

There you go again using that funny math.
All 6-7 of the players from the 2012 draft are currently on the Patriots. 3 of the 6 are starters (Hightower, Jones, Dennard). 2 of the 6 are key special teams players. Only Bequette hasn't done much of anything. That 5 of 7.. That's 71%. Not 42%.

Love how you ignore Sealver Siliga who was a success. And it's only your hatred for Amendola that you have him as anything other than insufficient information. Who is Bernard, btw?

2013 UFA: You forgot Leon Washington.

How convenient you missed Austin Collie as well..

So tell me something. How is it that coaches are supposed to be clairvoyant when it comes to injuries? Like the one to Tommy Kelly and the infection that Armstead got? Or the injury that Adrian Wilson suffered?

 

[OhExaulted1]

Interesting seeing Byrd still there.

It'd be a real coup if we could nab him and Talib.

Speaking of which has there been any word on Talib?

If we got Byrd that would be a coup over Ward in Denver. Gimme the ball hawk.

 

[Brady6]

1. You're dramatically overstating the level of information that the Pats have available to them. CIA-level? They talk to his past coaches, his family if they can, and maybe some old acquaintances if possible. Beyond that, what do they have access to beyond the standard background check? Bottom line is that the Pats have no idea what most of their players are doing most of the time that they're outside the facility, and that's typically not a problem. That's life as an employer.

2. Look at the number of players in the NFL who have arrests relating to gun possession and/or assault on their records. It's a huge number, and every single one of them has more red flags re: his capacity to commit violent crimes than Hernandez did at the time of the murder.

I know it's tempting to assume that there were warning signs indicating that he was a deranged lunatic, but look at the facts. His record consisted of a rough upbringing, possible gang affiliations from his juvenile years, and a couple of failed pot tests in college. How many NFL players does that describe?

It's an uncomfortable truth, but it is what it is. Any criteria by which the Pats could have been reasonably expected to foresee this also disqualifies a ton of other players that the Pats could really use. Have you ever advocated that the Pats sign a player who's been arrested for a violent crime? I know that I have, and if you have as well, then there's really no grounds on which to say that they should have predicted that Hernandez, with no real warning signs, would turn out to be the guy that he is.

Re: ignoring the rest of the stuff, of course I don't. There's plenty of stuff that's worth criticizing, but I try to reserve that for moves that I objected to at the time that they were made (the Bequette pick and the Arrington contract being the two biggest in recent memory). But given that you're on record as saying that Belichick's decisions are 95% failures over the last 5 years, I don't see any point in discussing the track record at large. You're so far off base there that I don't think any amount of discussion will go anywhere.

His UFA decisions have failed 95% of the time over the past few years is what I said. He has done well with the draft with a few exceptions, and he has done a great job with UDFAs. He has not done well in UFA at all, look at the signings man, what do you want me to do I am a realist, if someone does good I say if someone is struggling I notice it. I want to see this team win, and ignoring problems never makes anything better.

 

[primetime]

Brady6, you are the General Manager

~of my heart~

 

[Brady6]

There you go again using that funny math.
All 6-7 of the players from the 2012 draft are currently on the Patriots. 3 of the 6 are starters (Hightower, Jones, Dennard). 2 of the 6 are key special teams players. Only Bequette hasn't done much of anything. That 5 of 7.. That's 71%. Not 42%.

Love how you ignore Sealver Siliga who was a success. And it's only your hatred for Amendola that you have him as anything other than insufficient information. Who is Bernard, btw?

2013 UFA: You forgot Leon Washington.

How convenient you missed Austin Collie as well..

So tell me something. How is it that coaches are supposed to be clairvoyant when it comes to injuries? Like the one to Tommy Kelly and the infection that Armstead got? Or the injury that Adrian Wilson suffered?

Wow, your desperation is telling you are turning to the likes of Austin Collie, Sealver Siliga to make try to make an argument. Please stop quoting my posts, this is going nowhere you think that you should run to phone booth and put on your super fan costume any time some says something about the team that is not positive. I live in the real world where everyone has positives and negatives and discussing the negatives is not a crime, or something that we just ignore.

Good Night DaBruinz!

 

[patchick]

His UFA decisions have failed 95% of the time over the past few years is what I said.

If that's what you said, then you should consider that the 3 major UFA acquisitions of 2011 were Brian Waters, Andre Carter and Marc Anderson.

 

[ATippett56]

Report: Browns extend four-year offer sheet to Bengals WR Andrew Hawkins | ProFootballTalk

Who’s up for a little in-state restricted free agency intrigue?

Albert Breer of NFL Network reports the Browns are tendering Bengals RFA WR Andrew Hawkins an offer sheet and that Hawkins will sign the offer.

According to Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal, the offer sheet is for four years.

The Bengals will have seven days to match the offer. The Bengals tendered the 28-year-old Hawkins at the right-of-first-refusal level in restricted free agency, meaning they will not receive any draft pick compensation if the receiver departs.

The 5-foot-7, 180-pound Hawkins has hauled in 86 passes for 995 yards and four TDs in three seasons with Cincinnati. His quickness makes him a challenging player to deal with in space, and the Browns would likely use him as their primary slot receiver.

 

[Froob]

If we got Byrd that would be a coup over Ward in Denver. Gimme the ball hawk.

Same here, I think I'd rather have Byrd. I'm not into the whole need a FS and a SS. I'd rather just play the two best safeties you can find. Byrd paired with Dmac would be amazing.

 

[Joker]

His UFA decisions have failed 95% of the time over the past few years is what I said. He has done well with the draft with a few exceptions, and he has done a great job with UDFAs. He has not done well in UFA at all, look at the signings man, what do you want me to do I am a realist, if someone does good I say if someone is struggling I notice it. I want to see this team win, and ignoring problems never makes anything better.

I just KNEW you'd be pulling your lunatic act in this thread AGAIN. You want the team to win?? What on God's earth do you call the last THIRTEEN YEARS you insufferably moronic one note nutbag? YOU....a realist??????????????? LMAO x ten billion. YOU are as close as there has ever been to a SPACE ALIEN on this board since its inception.

Go back to your insane Amendola jihad and make another 5000 rip roaring knee slappers as your prognostications are napalmed into whackenhut eternity.

 

[Brady6]

If that's what you said, then you should consider that the 3 major UFA acquisitions of 2011 were Brian Waters, Andre Carter and Marc Anderson.

Yeah they were solid acquisitions no doubt about, but they gave us one year of service, Carter missed all of the playoffs, and Waters did not even show up to camp the next year. I am looking for some sustainable success in UFA and it has been a while. What I am looking for is a change in approach, the end of life veteran signings used to be a great approach for Belichick but in recent years they’ve been failing, I think he needs to get away from that. That is all I am saying here, not sure what is unreasonable about it but either way.

 

[Deus Irae]

I step away for supper, and return to find the Chicken Littles have lost it and the homers have made some of the most ridiculous replies possible. This has become an event day!

 

[ATippett56]

Jairus Byrd heading to visit with the Saints | ProFootballTalk

The safety market is moving quickly, but one of the big names is making a trip that definitely was not expected.

According to multiple reports, Bills safety Jairus Byrd is on his way to New Orleans for a visit with the Saints.

The Saints are not overwhelmed with salary cap room, but they do have a glaring need for a playmaker in the back of their defense to put next to Kenny Vaccaro.

Byrd lost suitors when the Browns and Broncos went other directions, and he’s said throughout he was giving the Bills a chance after they chose to not franchise-tag him for a second straight year.

 

[OhExaulted1]

Same here, I think I'd rather have Byrd. I'm not into the whole need a FS and a SS. I'd rather just play the two best safeties you can find. Byrd paired with Dmac would be amazing.

I agree. I think the designation cemantics are overrated. Win the turnover battle, win the game. Byrd has 22 career picks, Ward has 5.

 

[Jimke]

We are all daydreaming about high end free agents. We can't or won't even
re-sign our own free agents.

 

[BradyFTW!]

His UFA decisions have failed 95% of the time over the past few years is what I said. He has done well with the draft with a few exceptions, and he has done a great job with UDFAs. He has not done well in UFA at all, look at the signings man, what do you want me to do I am a realist, if someone does good I say if someone is struggling I notice it. I want to see this team win, and ignoring problems never makes anything better.

Basically the only way you can really approach 95% is if you count everyone who didn't become an upper-echelon starter at his position as a failure, no matter how little he was paid or what hole he was brought in to fill.

Do you count Lavelle Hawkins as a failure? He was brought in on pocket change to be a warm body in TC, and to the surprise of no one didn't make the final roster. If that's a failure in your book, then I can sort of see where your numbers are coming from (although they're still too high), but at that point you've made a meaningless argument, since the exact same thing is true for most teams.

 

[Patsrock]

Why did people have to hijack this thread with garbage. This thread was to report signings across the league. Not to be *****ing about Belichick.

 

[varjao]

I was afraid of that that just happened. The process of not having a decision on Wilfork's before FA would not allow us to go after a blue chip FA.

We could not have missed Ward for the Broncos. It's one of our biggest needs.

 

[patchick]

Yeah they were solid acquisitions no doubt about, but they gave us one year of service, Carter missed all of the playoffs, and Waters did not even show up to camp the next year. I am looking for some sustainable success in UFA and it has been a while. What I am looking for is a change in approach, the end of life veteran signings used to be a great approach for Belichick but in recent years they’ve been failing, I think he needs to get away from that.

Interesting..."sustainable success in UFA," meaning multiple signings of major UFAs with high-level multiyear impacts?

Can you give me some examples of franchises that have been reliable models of this approach?

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Decloud is out there. Nice 2nd tier guy. A few 2nd tier guys. But we are 4 hours in so we already lost FA