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  1. Ring 6

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    Absolutely. I was responding to the implication that no one else could possibly be considered the best of all time.
     
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    Okay and you ignored the majority of my post on Clark and your argument comes down to stats inflated by era which is exactly why someone like you isn’t deciding
     
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    Think of it this way, Brown was basically the guy who invented what modern coaching is. Belichick is the man who took it and mastered it
     
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    I'm not basing it on stats alone. Not even close. In no order... stats, impact on game (ex: you force a DC/OC to change his gp, make/account for you on all plays etc etc), peak years & impact on their team/team success to name a few.

    LT wasn't just great bc of his stats. That's a pretty ignorant pov tbh.
    Have you ever really watched him? I'll talk abt him all day along.

    He was durable, extremely versatile & was one of the greatest red zone players ever.
    In terms of his running style LT was outstanding at keeping defenders flat/staying in their gap before hitting outside on counters. Just played w Lbs leverage & space. Patient but very decisive & explosive (ran 4.38 I believe?)

    Had one the best jump cuts ever. Very elusive but also could drag a defender a few yards.

    He loved counter, split/zone but ran a ton of power. Again one of the best rec RBs of all time.

    There's actually very little he couldn't do if anything on the field.
     
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    Okay and Clark was one of the pioneers of the position, was the best player and highest scorers on a team that won a title, has twice as many First Team All Pro’s than LT (and all of them were unanimous) and was voted as the sports best player for an entire decade. Oh and in addition to being one of the most important RB’s ever he was known as a great blocker, tackler on defense and was one of the best punters in the league. Oh and did I mention he was one of the leagues top passers back then as well?

    In addition to being the best RB in the league in his day, he was the most complete player in a league that asked a lot of them to play both ways, and he was arguably the best overall player in the league for 6 years.

    Not to mention his enduring legacy and imprint on the game and being an inaugural member of the Pro and College HOF’s and a bunch of other ones.

    And yeah quite frankly, when Clark’s team one a title he was effectively as valuable as a QB, a position that routinely gets credit for championships. So it’s quite a bit different.

    You saw LT so you can rate what he was in his era. You spoke very little about Clark and only mentioned his stats and ignored how dominant he was, how pivotal he was to a championship team, and how he was rated in his era. Again this precisely why they don’t have modern fans making these lists. They want guys who can speak to what older guys meant in their era and how they rated to their peers and are willing to do the research. Any amount of research on Clark makes him a no brainer. It would be like complaining if Hutson or Berry made it as a WR and TO didn’t
     
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    Believe it or not I've seen what's out there on Clark & actually knew who he was before his name was trending bc of the list.
    Everyone has some sort of bias but if you look my tiers here you'd be hard pressed to say I am in terms of players who have played recently.
    Tier 1
    Brady, Montana, Young, Marino, Manning, Johnny U, Jergenson, Luckman, Van Brocklin, Rodgers.

    Tier 2 ... Captain America, Moon, Fran, Favre, Y.A. , Sammy, Brees, Warner, Starr, Otto,

    Tier 3 ... Elway, Bradshaw, Cunningham, Wilson, Ben, Mcnair, Kelly, Rivers, Romo, Vinny, Bledsoe

    Again I'm familiar w Clark but simply don't think he's a top 10 all-time RB.
     
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    Bb has won consistently in the salary cap era. Bb has won by yearly morphing his offense and his defense. Bb has coached in what 12? Super Bowls and won in 8.

    brown may have been the greatest innovator, but the category is greatest coach and we measure coaches by wins!
     
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    And Brown was a vindictive SOB. He held Walsh back for years.
     
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    Clive Rush.
     
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    I think Smith looks better upon review of old game film, showing just how deadly "steady and consistent" could be. I rewatched the '92 NFCCG and that 49ers team with MVP Young was primed to take that team to a title. Tied at 10 at half, the Cowboys came out of the locker room and force fed the ball to Smith for 5 and 6 yard pops at a time. The 49ers couldn't stop him that entire half. He effectively won the game for them with that performance, on the road in what was likely the true Super Bowl as Buffalo wasn't beating either of them. He should be on the list.

    Harper was a 49ers killer in those early 90s matchups and the big reason SF went out and got Deion Sanders. Harper parlaying that Cowboys stretch into a monster contract with Tampa Bay and promptly disappearing may be one of the all time money grabs in league history.

    Regards,
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    1. Bill Belichick
    11. (Rest of the list starts here)
     
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    If you're judging by wins, Don Shula is the greatest coach in NFL history.
     
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    He's easily top 15-20 for me & considering how many great RB's there are that's saying something imo.

    He was amazing though. So damm tough. He absorbed a ton of punishment hammering games home.
    Smith really knew how to take/give hits. Very rarely would a defender get a clean shot or kill shot bc of his pad level/vision. Great player just not in my top 10.

    Good for Harper. I'm always for the worker, in favor of guys getting paid. Players/talent > Scheme/Coaching all day long. All are extremely important tbh, esp when the talent level is close/equal.

    Also ... Trent Dilfer lol.
     
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    Dungy is lauded for turning the Tampa Bay franchise around, but in reality he is given far too much credit for that.

    Hugh Culverhouse was the owner of the Bucs, a notorious skinflint who placed profits over wins. Thanks to pocketing money from his split of television contracts, he was one of the NFL's most profitable owners - despite his team playing in half empty stadiums.

    The turnaround for the Buccaneer franchise began the day Culverhouse died. Prior to Dungy being hired the Bucs drafted Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks and John Lynch. Those draft picks came via GM Rich McKay and HC Sam Wyche. Dungy walked into a situation with one great player on each level of what was one of the greatest defenses in NFL history - a defense that was coached, managed and drawn up much more by DC Monte Kiffin than Dungy.

    That defense was so loaded, the team should have gone to multiple Super Bowls. Under Dungy's guidance that never happened. They made it to the NFCCG just once, and Dungy's playoff record in Tampa was 2-4. The Bucs were 11-5 once and 10-6 twice in six years with Dungy. Overall he was 55-42, an average of 9-7. Good but not great in most circumstances; a major underachievement considering the talent he had to work with.

    Let's not forget that as soon as he was fired, the Bucs won the Super Bowl the very next year, despite that core starting to age and deal with injuries.



    Fast forward to Dungy's next gig, the Colts. He walks into a team with Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Edgerrin James on offense, Dwight Freeney, Chad Bratzke and Mike Peterson on defense. A year later Bill Polian adds Dallas Clark and Robert Mathis; the year after Polian selects Bob Sanders.

    With all that talent on both sides of the ball Dungy's team finally manages to win one Super Bowl. Dungy goes 3-6 in the playoffs in his other seasons with Indy. The Colts had four one-and-dones and two home playoff losses with Dungy as their head coach.



    The Dungy apologists/fans are hypocrites. They want him to have the credit for Tampa Bay's Super Bowl victory, saying 'Gruden won with Dungy's team', but don't apply the same logic for success with the Colts.


    As a head coach, Tony Dungy is vastly overrated in my opinion.
     
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    upload_2019-11-24_16-22-39.jpeg ...sorry...
     
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    Came to make a snarky remark about Tony Dungy not being on the list.
    Stayed because he actually made the list.

    What an overrated, brown nosing, media darling d-bag. Makes a travesty of all these NFL100 rankings, which were already pretty stupid.
     
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    Dick Vermeil is more deserving
     

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