Explosive New Hernandez Details

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They are now reporting the prison was located on the supermoon which may or may not be the same location as reported earlier. They are awaiting for their unknown source to confirm, once he gets off the crapper. It is anatomically impossible to simultaneously **** and talk out of your ass.

I just got an update from my brothers cousin's friends girlfriends dad who is a security guard at Moon Maximum. Aaron is in cell block F and his Cell mates are Tupac and Michael Jackson

 

[belichick010405]

Well I am glad that Michael Fee put out this statement today because it is clear that Aaron is cooperating according to the limits of law enforcement and through the executed search warrants.

Whether or not anything was found through the executed search warrants is unresolved but you have to think that MSP is broadening its scope of its search away from Aaron through other resources.

Based on what has happened since Saturday, if there is as little publicity as there was today on Aaron, then I highly doubt that Aaron is going to be formally served with a complaint on obstruction of justice.

Bob Ward has even moved on back to the Whitey Bulger trial which, in my view, says something about this whole thing.

I don't think that Aaron had anything to do with Mr. Lloyd's murder other than a possibility that he obstructed justice by attempting to destroy the video surveillance evidence and it would not surprise me that the warrant, even if it was prepared, was used as a tactic to gain influence on Aaron to proffer additional information.

 

[Deus Irae]

you're right...it's not worth playing "who was the scumbag first"...all these news outlets stepped on their d!cks....I just wonder what happens IF Hernandez is only tangentially related to the murder...does he burn anyway?...keep thinking about all the abuse I took on this board for sticking with the "Edelman didn't do it" argument...and it turned out I was right all along....it's the same with this...too much smoke...to many mirrors...I think he's protecting someone for whatever reason.

I'm reliving that Edelman thread, and the first thing that really started to stick in my head is that this site doesn't do temporary bannings.

I wonder why that is.

 

[Joker]

here's the thread page...

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...rested-update-all-charges-dropped-page20.html

going forward, I'm vilified and called crazy or criminal...just nonstop attacks...

Old 11-02-2011, 05:20 PM #224
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Default re: Eldelman Arrested (Update: All charges DROPPED)
Obviously, I underestimated the degree of seriousness which some Pats fans affix to this story.

at this point, it sounds like I'm a writer for the Concord Valley Times...circulation 23

This was SERIOUS STUFF!!! Why??...because it was TRUE!!!...except I NEVER thought it was true...it smelled like a set-up and guess what, IT WAS. I may be a tad stupid but there is NOTHING better than experience when sussing a "story" like this Edelman fairy tale. It's the ol' walks like a duck quacks like a duck axiom

 

[Joker]

remember ...she claimed Edelman sexually assaulted her...then after it's over and she's proven to be a liar...out comes the video tape(that existed the whole time)...see if YOU can spot the sexual assault....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AshEvVqFgn0

my point is...the police searched Ahern's house...see if you can spot the murder evidence...

this smells the same as the Edelman incident...media overkill while blindfolded...

 

[belichick010405]

remember ...she claimed Edelman sexually assaulted her...then after it's over and she's proven to be a liar...out comes the video tape(that existed the whole time)...see if YOU can spot the sexual assault....

julian edelman surveillance video - YouTube

my point is...the police searched Ahern's house...see if you can spot the murder evidence...

this smells the same as the Edelman incident...media overkill while blindfolded...

Are you talking about the pat on the ass by that one guy who walked by someone toward the end of the video and on the top left hand corner which then followed him turning around after he patted someone on the ass?

 

[fnordcircle]

At the end of the day let's say we learn that Hernandez broke his surveillance equipment knocking out the real killer and is the hero of the day.

The media will face no negative ramifications for their reporting throughout this entire episode. They will not get sued for saying Hernandez was 'barred' from Patriot premises and that he 'threatened' Welker and he 'destroyed' tapes, etc were all things based on comments from various sources and then reported after a flip through the thesaurus to find the most provocative way to shape the report. Because they just gave us 'reports' and even if the story they are telling us is true - such as Hernandez 'threatening' Welker, there are myriad ways to tell the story of two teammates who get on each other's nerves but they chose the one that helped frame the narrative in such a way as to make Hernandez seem unhinged, etc.

My point is they are not selling us news, they aren't even selling us information - they're selling us sensationalism. And to one degree or another all of us are buying.

They don't get it right by accurately reporting facts they get it right, in their eyes, by making the story be as big as it can be.

Making the story...explosive..

 

[tonyto3690]

It's obvious the police believe Hernandez is closely tied to the murder and are just building their case.

I just hope that he was (misguidingly) covering for friends and gets a plea bargain.

 

[belichick010405]

At the end of the day let's say we learn that Hernandez broke his surveillance equipment knocking out the real killer and is the hero of the day.

The media will face no negative ramifications for their reporting throughout this entire episode. They will not get sued for saying Hernandez was 'barred' from Patriot premises and that he 'threatened' Welker and he 'destroyed' tapes, etc were all things based on comments from various sources and then reported after a flip through the thesaurus to find the most provocative way to shape the report. Because they just gave us 'reports' and even if the story they are telling us is true - such as Hernandez 'threatening' Welker, there are myriad ways to tell the story of two teammates who get on each other's nerves but they chose the one that helped frame the narrative in such a way as to make Hernandez seem unhinged, etc.

My point is they are not selling us news, they aren't even selling us information - they're selling us sensationalism. And to one degree or another all of us are buying.

They don't get it right by accurately reporting facts they get it right, in their eyes, by making the story be as big as it can be.

Making the story...explosive..

If and when Aaron is cleared from Mr. Lloyd's murder and MSP decides that the obstruction charge is not warranted, his revenge can and should be on the media and I hope that Stacy James accommodates his desire to no longer grant interviews to the media organizations that were wrong.

If and when.......and I think that by the time pre-season games start, the picture should be completely clear regarding the murder of Odin Lloyd.

 

[supafly]

Perhaps it is a paper warrant because they do not have enough evidence to get a judge to sign it?

Anything is possible, Andy; but I would imagine that if the D.A.'s office wanted someone to sign the warrant they probably wouldn't have that hard of a time.

On top of that, it would be a major no-no for them to use the prospect of "making up" a warrant out of nowhere. A paper warrant that is held by the lead detective/shot caller is one thing; that happens all the time, especially in cases where they desire more important information. "Making up" a warrant out of thin air would be something altogether different, but like I said--anything is possible in any situation, so nothing would surprise me anymore.

One thing to keep in mind is that our version of tampering/destroying those items may actually be different than what the reality was, so in that regard you could be correct.

As Deus stated, there are several very important factors they'd have to prove to be able to get that charge to stick, so to speak; and being on a big stage can sometimes make borderline decisions a bit different than in regular circumstances. They may not want to take a shot with circumstantial evidence or a weak case for the OOJ charge and then lose. Another important thing to determine is whether they'd be charges in the state of Mass. or federal charges of OOJ, because I don't believe that all OOJ charges are felonies in the state setting, although I'm not sure of the specifics in this instance obviously. They may not feel that charging him with OOJ in a state setting that isn't a felony would be worth it--especially if he has indeed cooperated on any level whatsoever. They aren't trying to solve an OOJ case obviously, as their murder case is the certain top priority. If they feel that AH can be of any service to them whatsoever now or in the future (and we don't know if he has helped or not), then the common sense choice would be not to charge him with something that is a 1st/2nd degree misdemeanor.

It'd be a waste of time and also a waste of a possible helpful resource in the sense that it's at least better than what they may have, even if his cooperation has been limited to this point.

 

[supafly]

I blame the press for this. You are letting them off too easily. The fact that the alleged warrant was a paper warrant is a very big piece to the story. And they missed it. In fact, the story over the weekend was they were looking for a judge to sign the warrant.

The warrant is indicative of what is wrong with today's media. Media outlets were falling over themselves to be the first to report that a warrant was issued or there isn't a warrant, but there will be one, or whatever that they didn't get the facts straight. The motto of most new outlets today is "It is better to be first than right and you can always issue a retraction later".

My point is simply that most media members would not have the knowledge to determine what a "paper" warrant was, so in this aspect I am choosing to give them a break. It seems as though someone leaked the fact that a paper warrant was indeed being prepared, so unless they have experience or education in the criminal justice field, it's hard for me personally to hold them 100% accountable in that specific regard. You likely seem to feel differently, but that also may be an overall reaction to countless examples that we've seen in the past with other stories so I can appreciate where you're coming from.

My intention was to point out that I don't personally blame them as much as others for that one particular aspect--nothing more.

The media got it wrong. They deserve the 'blame'.

See my above response. You may/may not be buying into what I'm selling, but either way I'm just giving my own (meaningless in the big picture) opinion on the aspect of the paper warrant issue.

 

[letekro]

My point is simply that most media members would not have the knowledge to determine what a "paper" warrant was, so in this aspect I am choosing to give them a break. It seems as though someone leaked the fact that a paper warrant was indeed being prepared, so unless they have experience or education in the criminal justice field, it's hard for me personally to hold them 100% accountable in that specific regard. You likely seem to feel differently, but that also may be an overall reaction to countless examples that we've seen in the past with other stories so I can appreciate where you're coming from.

My intention was to point out that I don't personally blame them as much as others for that one particular aspect--nothing more.

Since journalists' expertise is in researching and reporting news stories, they should be held accountable for failures in their research. If they could simply hide behind the fact that they don't have substantive knowledge of the issues they are covering, there would be no accountability whatsoever.

 

[BrickPat]

Perhaps it is a paper warrant because they do not have enough evidence to get a judge to sign it?

Not sure what you mean by paper warrant. The police submit an affadavidt to apply for a search warrant. A warrant does not become such until signed off by a judge.

An arrest warrant is different than a search warrant. As noted I do not work homicide cases but with typical arrest warrants an incident report articulating the PC and subsequent criminal complaint application are suffice.

 

[upstater1]

Going back a little bit to talk about Hernandez's upbringing, this article interviewing Geno Auriemma came out this morning:

Geno Auriemma Coached Aaron Hernandez In AAU Basketball - Courant.com

In it, Auriemma talks about Hernandez's strong family ties, the fact that his father was a strong influence and was around all the time. This is what I said last week.

Whatever trouble began, whatever wrong crowd he found himself with, it seems to have happened in the one short year after his father's death. That was his last year in high school (he graduated early at the age of 17).

 

[Yehoodi]

sorry but have not followed the story since late last week . . . I see there is a lot of fuss about the arrest warrant, issuance, application there of and so on . . . I only ask as I am wondering has there been a denial of the same by the DA, MSP or the court? . . . if not then how can we claim ABC is wrong? . . .

 

[Rob0729]

Going back a little bit to talk about Hernandez's upbringing, this article interviewing Geno Auriemma came out this morning:

Geno Auriemma Coached Aaron Hernandez In AAU Basketball - Courant.com

In it, Auriemma talks about Hernandez's strong family ties, the fact that his father was a strong influence and was around all the time. This is what I said last week.

Whatever trouble began, whatever wrong crowd he found himself with, it seems to have happened in the one short year after his father's death. That was his last year in high school (he graduated early at the age of 17).

I find it hard to believe that the friend base he has decided to keep in his adult life were friends he hung with his senior year. Even Auriemma said this:

For me, he was easy, but then again, I didn't go home with him. I just saw him a couple hours when we practiced and I saw him on weekends when we had trips to go play, so it's not like I knew him like I knew my son or anything like that.

By most accounts, Hernandez isn't the bad person, his friends are. So unless the thugs he is friends with from his high school years were in the same high school, Auriemma may never knew they existed.

Also, I have heard other stories about some violence in his past. I heard (but I cannot find any article verification) that his stepfather went to jail for trying to stab his mother. I don't know if happen after his father died or not.

His father could have kept him from personally being a criminal and kept him walking the straight and narrow, but he could have still be friends with the same scum who may have killed Lloyd from childhood.

 

[BSR]

sorry but have not followed the story since late last week . . . I see there is a lot of fuss about the arrest warrant, issuance, application there of and so on . . . I only ask as I am wondering has there been a denial of the same by the DA, MSP or the court? . . . if not then how can we claim ABC is wrong? . . .

I think we can claim ABC is wrong by the fact that he hasn't been arrested yet.

 

[Rob0729]

My point is simply that most media members would not have the knowledge to determine what a "paper" warrant was, so in this aspect I am choosing to give them a break. It seems as though someone leaked the fact that a paper warrant was indeed being prepared, so unless they have experience or education in the criminal justice field, it's hard for me personally to hold them 100% accountable in that specific regard. You likely seem to feel differently, but that also may be an overall reaction to countless examples that we've seen in the past with other stories so I can appreciate where you're coming from.

My intention was to point out that I don't personally blame them as much as others for that one particular aspect--nothing more.



See my above response. You may/may not be buying into what I'm selling, but either way I'm just giving my own (meaningless in the big picture) opinion on the aspect of the paper warrant issue.

It is a reporter's job to produce facts, not partial facts that can be misleading. If they didn't have the whole story, they shouldn't have run it.

I have a journalism degree and the journalistic standard was to get independent verification of any story by at least two other sources. Today it is if the original source seems credible, that is verification enough. That is what happened with Tomase with the Rams' walkthrough and we saw how good that turned out.

The reporters could have easily gotten the right information by asking more questions like when do they expect to serve the warrant, have they been negotiating with Hernandez lawyers to turn himself in (typical with high profile suspects with a lot of media attention to avoid the perp walk), etc. If this source cannot answer these simple questions, you don't run the story.

What the journalists did with the warrant news was commit a felony in journalism. Not only is it shoddy journalism, it is irresponsible journalism. Unfortunately, this crappy journalism standard has become so prevalent that people aren't phased by it. But William R Murrow and Walter Cronkite are probably spinning in their graves.

 

[Yehoodi]

I think we can claim ABC is wrong by the fact that he hasn't been arrested yet.

thank you, I have not kept up with it . . . so then it is still possible that ABC is correct and the police have not acted on executing the warrant . . .

 

[upstater1]

I find it hard to believe that the friend base he has decided to keep in his adult life were friends he hung with his senior year. Even Auriemma said this:

By most accounts, Hernandez isn't the bad person, his friends are. So unless the thugs he is friends with from his high school years were in the same high school, Auriemma may never knew they existed.

Also, I have heard other stories about some violence in his past. I heard (but I cannot find any article verification) that his stepfather went to jail for trying to stab his mother. I don't know if happen after his father died or not.

His father could have kept him from personally being a criminal and kept him walking the straight and narrow, but he could have still be friends with the same scum who may have killed Lloyd from childhood.

What I was pointing out is that Hernandez started using drugs and hanging out with these people AFTER his father died. The kid went downhill fast. In fact, one of the reasons (per Hernandez himself) for decommitting from UConn (where his older brother was the starting QB) for Florida was to get away from friends from his senior year.

In every report I've ever read about him during this period (we are talking about 5 years ago) it emphasizes how his father--an ass't football coach--was a disciplinarian, and how Aaron was having a really hard time coping with his death. This stuff came out BEFORE Aaron had even enrolled at U. Florida.