Patriots Rumor ESPN hitpiece on Patriots (Rift with Brady/Belichick/Kraft) - Merged

[RobertWeathers]

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He and (Bo)Zo are just a horrible pairing. Porky is this acerbic, self-styled tough guy who in reality is just a phony contrarian loud mouth. He rides roughshod over Zolak who actually, at times, seems afraid of him. And then, Zolak regains his manhood as a night-time tweet- drunk. Horrid radio.

If lard ass Bertrand ever committed suicide and jumped off a building there would be a 4 mile wide impact crater filled with pizza sauce, sausage and oatmeal raisin cookies .

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

I wonder if they would look outside the organization for a DC.

 

[Ross12]

I see the censorship is now spreading beyond the game day threads. This can only end well.

It’ll be addresssed in more detail elsewhere, but yeah, we have been making efforts to keep fights from derailing threads and want everyone to be respectful of one another, whether you are a “chicken little” or a “homer” - on both sides, we should be civil here.

I don’t believe that we are really “censoring” much by asking posters to stay on topic or removing posts which amount to nothing more than personal attacks.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

Chiefs should fire Andy Reid lol

 

[meatface]

LMFAOOOO.....only thing more stupid than this are the Jete as a whole.

I love Manish, everything he writes just blows up in his face.

 

[Ring 6]

I love Manish, everything he writes just blows up in his face.

When did writing an article about someone else’s article and using their opinions as fact become a thing?

 

[meatface]

When did writing an article about someone else’s article and using their opinions as fact become a thing?

I dont know but probably in NY first and probably longer than we think

 

[patfanken]

Another thing that a lot of folks have missed was Wickersham saying that BB trading JG made no sense "when his starter was 40 years old and banged up". The trade took place at the end of week-8. Brady didn't appear on the injury report with his achilles issue until week-12.

STOP interfering with the narrative by using facts. That is a non-starter in today's sports media.

 

[patfanken]

I generally agree, but it's also possible that the Pats had worked out a plan for creating enough cap space to do a tag 'n' trade in the spring. Definitely not a high leverage position for the Pats, but still an opportunity to try to get something more in return than a 2019 very late 3rd-rounder.

I'm still looking forward to ANYONE who can offer a reasonable example of how the Pats were going to be able to franchise Jimmy

A while back I read where Miguel estimated that the Pats would have around $13MM in cap space going into 2018, and that was before Gronk and other hit their incentives (some which are team success based, like winning the SB), so it could be as low as around $10MM.

So just off the top of my head, if the franchise tag for QB's is around $27MM, then the Pats would roughly have cut $17MM in contracts. You CANNOT do that without damaging your team, but it could be done. I guess you can cut Gillislee, Branch, let go Solder and a few others. THEN after that there would be no money to sign any of our own FA's so you can say goodbye to Butler, Badimosi, Burkhead, Lewis, Waddle as well as Solder. Cooks gets about a $5MM raise if we give him the 5th year extension, but can we afford it. And THEN the subject of other team's FA's are simply out of the question. ALL for a QB with 6 quarters of starting experience (at the time).

And after all that carnage with no reinforcements, you are vastly weaker team for a player you don't ever expect to be on the field in 2018. Tell me how THAT makes any sense.

It drive me NUTS when I keep hearing media pukes like Volin saying that Franchising JG was a real possibility. MAYBE it would be a possibility in another dimension, but not THIS one.

Now I did that off the top of my head. If anyone has a better suggestion, I'd be happy to hear it.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I'm still looking forward to ANYONE who can offer a reasonable example of how the Pats were going to be able to franchise Jimmy

A while back I read where Miguel estimated that the Pats would have around $13MM in cap space going into 2018, and that was before Gronk and other hit their incentives (some which are team success based, like winning the SB), so it could be as low as around $10MM.

So just off the top of my head, if the franchise tag for QB's is around $27MM, then the Pats would roughly have cut $17MM in contracts. You CANNOT do that without damaging your team, but it could be done. I guess you can cut Gillislee, Branch, let go Solder and a few others. THEN after that there would be no money to sign any of our own FA's so you can say goodbye to Butler, Badimosi, Burkhead, Lewis, Waddle as well as Solder. Cooks gets about a $5MM raise if we give him the 5th year extension, but can we afford it. And THEN the subject of other team's FA's are simply out of the question. ALL for a QB with 6 quarters of starting experience (at the time).

And after all that carnage with no reinforcements, you are vastly weaker team for a player you don't ever expect to be on the field in 2018. Tell me how THAT makes any sense.

It drive me NUTS when I keep hearing media pukes like Volin saying that Franchising JG was a real possibility. MAYBE it would be a possibility in another dimension, but not THIS one.

Now I did that off the top of my head. If anyone has a better suggestion, I'd be happy to hear it.

Most mediots failed math in school but aced their English classes, that why they write, too bad it's usually hogwash, cap is crap.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Wrong thread, somehow, so my apologies. I'll take this elsewhere.

 

[TommyD4207]

Maybe it was just me, but I was not impressed with Goff's ability to scan the field.

Not just you. If it wasn't Robert Woods, Cooper Cupp or Todd Gurley, as far as Goff was concerned, you didn't exist, until the 4th quarter.

 

[neali]

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[Deus Irae]

I don’t believe that we are really “censoring” much by asking posters to stay on topic or removing posts which amount to nothing more than personal attacks.

Yes, it's censorship, and censors always find excuses to justify their actions.

 

[patfanken]

Dude you are losing it. Wtf are you talking about?

Cmon Andy. Who are you, Sheldon from "The Big Bang Theory", who also has a hard time discerning sarcasm?

 

[patfanken]

It was discussed around here at the time. The limitation of trading partners is one reason why an in-season trade was never the right way to go.

I'm not so sure of that DI. At the end of the season you'd not only have an extremely short window to make such a trade, you'd also be facing the one of the strongest QB classes in years.

Why would a team be willing to give you anything more than a 2nd (if that) when they know in 2 days they might be able to get him for nothing, and if they don't get him, have shot at this QB class.

Also remember, if they held on to him, this would be the JG who played well for 6 quarters, and NOT the JG who won the 5 games he started. The perception has changed on Jimmy a great deal SINCE the trade. Most of the mediots fail to make that distinction.

So, while I agree that there was a "limited" market when they traded him at the deadline, I don't think that the one that would be there at the end of February would have been any larger. BTW- I should note that I was one who REALLY wanted him traded before the draft, and was BITTERLY disappointed when he wasn't (though I got over it. )

Also I have to agree with those to think that the quid pro quo of getting Hoyer back as part of the trade is rarely mentioned as a reason they dealt with SF. It's rarely been mentioned, but as limited as Hoyer is, he has had SOME success as an NFL Starter, and IS a suitable back up, who happens to have 3 or 4 years in this system.

If we had traded with the Browns, what would we have had as a backup. So I'm sure that was a bigger factor in this trade than its been discussed.

I can only surmise that they didn't trade JG at the draft was that they weren't entirely convinced that Brady would be able to maintain his level of play. When they felt better about that, they let him go. Simple as that.

 

[fnordcircle]

Ivan dropping truth BOMBs about what a little ***** Brady is and nobody can handle it.

Brady wasn't half the man Tony Eason was, even when Eason was wearing his skirt.

 

[Jackson 2]

Chiefs should fire Andy Reid lol

Hell, no!

 

[archstanton543]

It would have been less than the 1st rounder+ he may have been available for last spring.

There is no credible evidence that there was a first round pick on the table for Jimmy.

 

[DarrylS]

There is no credible evidence that there was a first round pick on the table for Jimmy.

Hear this over and over again, and this has been supported by the mediots on sportstalk radio, however it has never been confirmed that any team offered multiple picks or first round picks for Jimmy G..

Even on this board, throughout last spring and summer, his trade value was greatly inflated with no substantiation of any evidence to support the claim.. it did reach absurd proportions when there were suggestions of multiple first round picks offered..