(Edited Title:) Writer thinks Zappe is winning the QB "battle"?

[sb1]

Nobody is comparing Zappe to Brady in terms of talent.

But fact is that Jones regressed last year. To call his performance mediocre would be generous. If he doesn't show improvement this year - and fast - he damn well should be benched so we can see what the backup can do.

I'd rather go back to the draft well if that happens. Loaded QB class next year.

If Jones craters it's very probable that the Patriots will have a new GM and HC next year so I'm confident there won't be any clowning around trying to turn a late round QB into something he isn't when there are more talented options.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Isn't Zappe 6'1? Why are we talking about him as if he were Kyler Murray height? He's one inch shorter than Aaron Rodgers. Not ideal size, but not really that much of an impediment to play QB in the league, especially in 2023.

It's true he isn't a midget but I think it's a combo of being less than ideal height and lacking the mobility/quickness that other shorter QBs have utilized to be successful. On Wozzy's list almost all those guys were extremely athletic quarterbacks who were short but had really strong arms or generational mobility. Except Brees who really is an exception. Maybe you could put Montana in that class although he is 6'2" and had at least average velocity.

I wouldn't write off Zappe because he has the minimum requirements to be a solid NFL quarterback but I think of it as not ideal and he needs to have some exceptional abilities to overcome the lack of physical superiority.

 

[RodThePat]

It's true he isn't a midget but I think it's a combo of being less than ideal height and lacking the mobility/quickness that other shorter QBs have utilized to be successful. On Wozzy's list almost all those guys were extremely athletic quarterbacks who were short but had really strong arms or generational mobility. Except Brees who really is an exception. Maybe you could put Montana in that class although he is 6'2" and had at least average velocity.

I wouldn't write off Zappe because he has the minimum requirements to be a solid NFL quarterback but I think of it as not ideal and he needs to have some exceptional abilities to overcome the lack of physical superiority.

Sure, but to an extent the same can be said for Mac Jones. Both guys need to win with their minds to succeed in the league.

 

[Zuma]

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Patriots QB Bailey Zappe Sends Message About Future

MSN

 

[Real fan 02]

Zappa IS winning the QB battle...over Trace McSorley.

I think he was covering the XFL

 

[Trolltolls]

From the same site

Mac Jones is loudly winning the Patriots' quarterback battle

As the Patriots continue training camp this week, calls for Bailey Zappe to become QB1 should be silenced. Mac Jones is the starting QB and will be for 2023.

musketfire.com

 

[borg]

You are right and I am wrong. Of course! The Patriots Defense was "Elite" and " Stout" ...

Good grief..

I looked it up for you
Our defense was "elite" and "stout" against the NFL's dregs and their retread/garbage QBs.

Detroit and Goff managed 0 pts
Indy and Ehlinger scored 3
Jets and Wilson scored 17 and 3 pts in their two games
Ariz and McCoy managed 13 pts

Note: Of these 4 juggernaut franchises, only Goff has retained his starting role in '23

Verses playoff teams:
NE's D relinquished an average of 27.2 pts/gm in 7 games ( 33 or more pts were scored against in 3 games)

Buffalo averaged 28.4 pts/gm on offense
NE held Buffalo to 24 & 35

Minn averaged 24.9 pts/gm
NE held Minn to 33

Balt averaged 20.6 pts/gm
NE held Balt to 37

Cinn averaged 26.1
NE held Cinn to 22

Mia averaged 23.4
NE held Tua to 20 in wk 1
NE held Bridgewater to 21 in week 16

Note: On the season, NE relinquished an average of 20.4 pts/gm (11th best in NFL, 5th best in AFC)
Note 2.0: NE held only playoff team Miami in week 1 below their season average.
Note 3.0: Two non-playoff bound teams scored a 30 burger or more vs the stout and elite NE D (Chi and LV)

In total, NE's elite and stout D relinquished 30 pts or more in 5 games

 

[Ring 6]

I looked it up for you
Our defense was "elite" and "stout" against the NFL's dregs and their retread/garbage QBs.

Detroit and Goff managed 0 pts
Indy and Ehlinger scored 3
Jets and Wilson scored 17 and 3 pts in their two games
Ariz and McCoy managed 13 pts

Note: Of these 4 juggernaut franchises, only Goff has retained his starting role in '23

Verses playoff teams:
NE's D relinquished an average of 27.2 pts/gm in 7 games ( 33 or more pts were scored against in 3 games)

Buffalo averaged 28.4 pts/gm on offense
NE held Buffalo to 24 & 35

Minn averaged 24.9 pts/gm
NE held Minn to 33

Balt averaged 20.6 pts/gm
NE held Balt to 37

Cinn averaged 26.1
NE held Cinn to 22

Mia averaged 23.4
NE held Tua to 20 in wk 1
NE held Bridgewater to 21 in week 16

Note: On the season, NE relinquished an average of 20.4 pts/gm (11th best in NFL, 5th best in AFC)
Note 2.0: NE held only playoff team Miami in week 1 below their season average.
Note 3.0: Two non-playoff bound teams scored a 30 burger or more vs the stout and elite NE D (Chi and LV)

Lazy effort.
Versus playoff teams the patriots DEFENSE held buffalo under twice. Miami under twice. Cincinnati under (yes 22 is less than 26.1) and minn within 1.1.
Counting kickoff returns against the defense is cheating.

 

[Ian]

From the same site

Mac Jones is loudly winning the Patriots' quarterback battle

As the Patriots continue training camp this week, calls for Bailey Zappe to become QB1 should be silenced. Mac Jones is the starting QB and will be for 2023.

musketfire.com

In fairness - Sara is one of the best writers on that site and has typically been a balanced voice of reason. She does a really great job.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Lazy effort.
Versus playoff teams the patriots DEFENSE held buffalo under twice. Miami under twice. Cincinnati under (yes 22 is less than 26.1) and minn within 1.1.
Counting kickoff returns against the defense is cheating.

I will give you a ton of credit: despite the fact that you argue for the sake of arguing, you do not call people names or attack them...

 

[Ring 6]

I will give you a ton of credit: despite the fact that you argue for the sake of arguing, you do not call people names or attack them...

What does arguing for the sake of arguing even mean?
You made a statement, I disagreed with.
Someone posted deceptive information behind it and I pointed out it is deceptive.
If you call that “arguing” then every argument ever would fit your mold of arguing for the sake of arguing.
I “arguing” for the sake of correctness and accuracy.

And, no, “look it up” doesn’t provide an answer, it’s the equivalent of “oh yeah”

 

[XLIX]

I'd rather go back to the draft well if that happens. Loaded QB class next year.

I'd at least like to give the backup a decent chance at starting a few games in his sophomore season before wasting even more draft capital on that position.

 

[Wozzy]

They are the exception to the rule. It’s really really hard to be great as a tiny QB.

6’1” isn’t tiny, it’s one inch shorter than Mahomes, Rogers and Montana. Brock Purdy is the same height… it’s not the exception to the rule when there’s endless other examples. A sub six foot QB maybe… just admit you’re desperate for a reason to hate him and own it.

 

[XLIX]

Ok, they changed the offense for Zappe. They definitely took out a lot of wasn‘t working and implemented a lot more high percentage type of plays. They let him do play action under center. Something they rarely let Mac do except in the first half vs the Bills. When they let Mac do play action under center, he excelled. Except they never let him do it.

Why is it that the coaching staff you literally called "may be one of the worst in NFL history" all of a sudden turn into Lombardi, Walsh and Gibbs when Zappe got under center?

 

[Wozzy]

I looked it up for you
Our defense was "elite" and "stout" against the NFL's dregs and their retread/garbage QBs.

Detroit and Goff managed 0 pts
Indy and Ehlinger scored 3
Jets and Wilson scored 17 and 3 pts in their two games
Ariz and McCoy managed 13 pts

Note: Of these 4 juggernaut franchises, only Goff has retained his starting role in '23

Verses playoff teams:
NE's D relinquished an average of 27.2 pts/gm in 7 games ( 33 or more pts were scored against in 3 games)

Buffalo averaged 28.4 pts/gm on offense
NE held Buffalo to 24 & 35

Minn averaged 24.9 pts/gm
NE held Minn to 33

Balt averaged 20.6 pts/gm
NE held Balt to 37

Cinn averaged 26.1
NE held Cinn to 22

Mia averaged 23.4
NE held Tua to 20 in wk 1
NE held Bridgewater to 21 in week 16

Note: On the season, NE relinquished an average of 20.4 pts/gm (11th best in NFL, 5th best in AFC)
Note 2.0: NE held only playoff team Miami in week 1 below their season average.
Note 3.0: Two non-playoff bound teams scored a 30 burger or more vs the stout and elite NE D (Chi and LV)

In total, NE's elite and stout D relinquished 30 pts or more in 5 games

This is just ignorant ^

Go look at the 49ers lame schedule, the Eagles schedule…. everyone has dogs they play. That’s how averages work.

Also Goff and Detroit had the 6th best offense in the league, the best QB we played all year was Burrow and we held the Bengals to the 4th lowest point total of their season… despite our offense not scoring for three quarters.

Our defense was a top five defense… period.

 

[Rob0729]

Why is it that the coaching staff you literally called "may be one of the worst in NFL history" all of a sudden turn into Lombardi, Walsh and Gibbs when Zappe got under center?

It didn't all the sudden turn into Lombardi, Walsh, or Gibbs when Zappe went in their. Zappe threw for 188 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT against Detroit. The Pats won that game with a stellar defensive effort and ground game. Stevenson ran for 161 yards and 6.4 YPC in that game.

Against the Bears, he was great for a quarter and then turned into an unmitigated disaster in the second half.

You are talking about one game (the Browns) against a team that had the worst defense in the league at the time they met.

You Zappe fanatics want to rewrite history. If Zappe was nearly as good as you guy like to think he was, he would be starting.

 

[XLIX]

You Zappe fanatics want to rewrite history. If Zappe was nearly as good as you guy like to think he was, he would be starting.

LOL!! This comment was brought to us from the guy who said....

"Jones didn’t have a good season, but to put all the blame on him is stupid"
and
"down the stretch last year, (Jones) was far better than people give him credit for."

Talk about trying to rewrite history! Jones shouldn't be blamed for how he played and Zappe gets no credit for how he played!

 

[sb1]

You are talking about one game (the Browns) against a team that had the worst defense in the league at the time they met.

Zappe's passing numbers were padded a lot by YAC in that game but he was still very good and took advantage of what he was given.

Agree though about the Detroit game. I don't think his numbers were all that considering he was given six(?) 4th down stops by the defense and could only manage 1 TD out of that. Brady might have put up 60 given opportunities like that.

 

[Rob0729]

LOL!! This comment was brought to us from the guy who said....

"Jones didn’t have a good season, but to put all the blame on him is stupid"
and
"down the stretch last year, (Jones) was far better than people give him credit for."

Talk about trying to rewrite history! Jones shouldn't be blamed for how he played and Zappe gets no credit for how he played!

What did I say that was wrong? Anyone who is remotely objective would say that his problems last year weren't all his fault. That isn't debatable.

And went eight games down the stretch last year with only one INT. Yet people act like he was a turnover machine. Evan Lazar said that he was one of the top 2-3 QB in the second half last year according to PFF in "Big Time Throws". According to PFF, a Big Time Throw is “excellent ball location and timing, generally thrown further down the field and/or into a tighter window.”.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

The Bengals game and the Lions game are the two best defensive performances the Patriots had imo. Burrow played like ass in the 2nd half, and Goff had his worst performance of the year.