Draft Rumors

[The Boomer]

Whoops, wrong link. Mayock's round ratings were only 2 weeks ago:

2018 NFL draft final big board

Mayock's second round begins at Pick 29. There were higher rated players at 23 than Kolton Miller who is less of a reach at 31 (the third pick of Mayock's second round). I don't see Belichick taking Miller at 23. Evans and other possibly higher rated first round talents were still there. If Miller was a need reach, it is more likely they take their first round talent (still on the board) at pick 31.

 

[manxman2601]

Mayock has us taking Kolton Miller at 23. Rashaan Evans and LVE still on the board.

 

[Love The Drake]

Mayock has us taking Kolton Miller at 23. Rashaan Evans and LVE still on the board.

I hope he's wrong

 

[Vatahala]

Still don't believe that darnold will go first. Kiper thinks it will be Allen. We will see tomorrow.

Today's rumor was the Browns have cooled on Darnold and I would like them to trade the #1 and take Allen at #4.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm also really high on Mahomes so I do like one Air Raid quarterback, but Mahomes can also make throws that would make Aaron Rodgers blush.

You can’t judge a player based on who he played for. Just as you are downgrading falk for playing in the shotgun and sports science has him as ridiculously consistently in footwork drops from under the center.
It’s like saying Rodgers wouldn’t be Rodgers if he played in a different system in college. He’s still the same guy.

 

[manxman2601]

I hope he's wrong

I’m mixed. I don’t love Miller’s tape but I’d like to see what Dante can do with him. Miller’s size/athleticism combo is rare. And as @AndyJohnson said, Solder was similar coming out. And that worked out ok.

Edit: Also I’ve got him in the draft contest so I’d be fine with it

 

[primetime]

I have always believed that about 90% of the success of a player depends upon what happens after he is drafted rather than what he is on the day he is drafted.
Coaching (especially considering the teaching of technique to guys who could get by til now on raw ability)
Learning how to play their position
Film study
Physical improvement in strength, conditioning, agility etc.
Commitment to reaching potential.
Nutrition
Off the field issues
Injuries
Confidence or lack thereof based upon his they play
And the list could go on, are what separates players more than their raw skills.
That’s one reason professionals who have coached and watched nfl players for 30 can view every play they made in college, work them out in person, talk with them at length and have a well thought out comprehensive opinion of what kind of player they will be and turn out to be wrong often.

I agree. I think football's also a weird game because your average NFL veteran has played fewer games of football since he was 18 than a baseball or even basketball or hockey player does in a single season. Pitchers throw more pitches in a month than NFL QBs throw passes in several seasons.

Our minds naturally try to see patterns but in a lot of ways football is just an accumulation of individual events where outlier events are heavily weighted, and all of those events are dependent on the context (opponent, teammates, etc) and just a bunch of stuff you can't see (illness, injury, personal life, etc), and just a bunch of natural randomness. In other sports there's so many events you expect this stuff to iron out with a large enough sample size but with football it never gets big enough so you're mostly just building narratives, inevitably influenced by whatever narrative the league's media drones are pushing.

I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo is the ultimate example to me. He's played 5.5 games in his NFL career. He's played well, never particularly poorly, but he's been given the biggest contract in football and everyone is already crowning him as a perennial All-Pro. Imagine a basketball player playing well in 4 meaningless games at the end of a season and being given a max contract. It'd be justifiably called insane. But in football it's the way things are done.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

So If Guice admitted to making up the story about NFL teams asking him personal questions at the combine, does he slip in the draft for character concerns?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I know kids in high school that takes tons of snaps in practice even with their friends and carry that out in college simply to have some experience w it so players do practice it even tho they might perform it during games.

 

[manxman2601]

Mayock has us taking James Daniels at 31. I don’t see B.B. double dipping at OL in the first and if they do, I think it would be OG.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Mike Mayock's final draft:

23 - Kolton Miller, OT UCLA

31 - James Daniels, C Iowa

 

[patsinthesnow]

James Daniels. Now THAT smells of Mayock inside knowledge. Hmm...

 

[primetime]

So If Guice admitted to making up the story about NFL teams asking him personal questions at the combine, does he slip in the draft for character concerns?

Hopefully he slips right to the Patriots.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

So If Guice admitted to making up the story about NFL teams asking him personal questions at the combine, does he slip in the draft for character concerns?

Yes

 

[primetime]

Mike Mayock's final draft:

23 - Kolton Miller, OT UCLA

31 - James Daniels, C Iowa

Pete Prisco who's usually pretty in the know had Miller at 23 as well. I hate this tackle class but if there's smoke...

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Hopefully he slips right to the Patriots.

I’d hope we have our bases covered, having already asked why he would make up a story like this.

 

[Love The Drake]

Mike Mayock's final draft:

23 - Kolton Miller, OT UCLA

31 - James Daniels, C Iowa

Most boring draft ever

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Love the Daniels pick. Hes one of the 3-5 best OL in the draft. Miller, like Manxman said w Scar it would be interesting but theres other guys that are as good if not a lil better still on the board at 41/63

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Most boring draft ever

I disagree. I would love double dip at OL. Just all set w reaching on Miller.

 

[primetime]

I’d hope we have our bases covered, having already asked why he would make up a story like this.

I mean, the official wording was that "an NFL investigation did not confirm that the questions were asked."

As a Patriots fan, I'll tell you how trustworthy I think an NFL investigation is.