Draft Rumors

[manxman2601]

Love the Daniels pick. Hes one of the 3-5 best OL in the draft. Miller, like Manxman said w Scar it would be interesting but theres other guys that are as good if not a lil better still on the board at 41/63

This is an interesting take on the Daniels pick, particularly the Feeney bit.

 

[primetime]

Love the Daniels pick. Hes one of the 3-5 best OL in the draft. Miller, like Manxman said w Scar it would be interesting but theres other guys that are as good if not a lil better still on the board at 41/63

I like Daniels a lot. It's a little out of the blue for a mock but doesn't shock me, the Ferentz pipeline is strong. His brother LeShun was in camp a couple years ago with the Patriots too.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I mean, the official wording was that "an NFL investigation did not confirm that the questions were asked."

As a Patriots fan, I'll tell you how trustworthy I think an NFL investigation is.

Very true, only part I saw that made me question him was an NFL team said that Guice admitted to making it up.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Pete Prisco who's usually pretty in the know had Miller at 23 as well. I hate this tackle class but if there's smoke...

I don't mind Kolton Miller, but I would rather get him at 31.

 

[PatsFan2]

You dont like Jackson but like Falk at 63?
That would be a heck of a overdraft it would be Jordan Richardsesque.

If we didn't have the Draft capital I would worry about the selection. But since we do and it's a NEED I wouldn't be opposed. Jordan Richards and Tavon Wilson were sure 7th Rounders BB fell in love with in the Second.

 

[primetime]

If we didn't have the Draft capital I would worry about the selection. But since we do and it's a NEED I wouldn't be opposed. Jordan Richards and Tavon Wilson were sure 7th Rounders BB fell in love with in the Second.

So was Duron Harmon. One's a top-10 safety in the league, one's a solid starter (albeit for a different team), and the last one is... uh, a decent special teamer?

 

[PatsFan2]

prime your posts in this thread are a pleasure to read very well thought out.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Ryan Tannehill was another dual threat quarterback with questionable accuracy coming out of college and there was none of the "he's running a QB, running QBs are useless, convert him to wide receiver" crap that you see around Jackson.

In part because he was a WR who converted to QB in college.

 

[primetime]

prime your posts in this thread are a pleasure to read very well thought out.

Most of them are crap, for I am a moron, but thanks.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

This is an interesting take on the Daniels pick, particularly the Feeney bit.

How do we know he won't get paid here? They paid Mankins.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Mayock has us taking James Daniels at 31. I don’t see B.B. double dipping at OL in the first and if they do, I think it would be OG.

Reports I've read seem to think he has the size to play OG well too. The classic versatility they're looking for. Plus the Iowa connection with Ferentz so they would feel confident about his ability to make the jump to the NFL.

I picked Frank Ragnow in the prediction contest for the same reason, except Bret Bielema as the connection instead. But that was before I heard Cincinnati was interested in him at 19; I thought he'd go early 2nd.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

How do we know he won't get paid here? They paid Mankins.

Mankins was the best guard in the league though. Shaq is good but I don't think he's at that level. If the market will make highest paid guard, I don't think Belichick would match/outbid nor would he be willing to use the franchise tag on him. We'll see though.

 

[manxman2601]

How do we know he won't get paid here? They paid Mankins.

We don’t and the Pats have the lowest amount of money being spent on the OL in the NFL so there’s definitely scope. Maybe it’s just a potential Andrews upgrade. They were looking at Feeney last year so it’s not a stretch. Also, Daniels is almost perfect for this OL and it’s scheme. The more I think about a pick like that, one I hadn’t considered at all, the more sense it makes. Ultimately I’d be surprised if we double dipped at OL in the first but Mayock’s mock has certainly got me thinking.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I agree. I think football's also a weird game because your average NFL veteran has played fewer games of football since he was 18 than a baseball or even basketball or hockey player does in a single season. Pitchers throw more pitches in a month than NFL QBs throw passes in several seasons.

Our minds naturally try to see patterns but in a lot of ways football is just an accumulation of individual events where outlier events are heavily weighted, and all of those events are dependent on the context (opponent, teammates, etc) and just a bunch of stuff you can't see (illness, injury, personal life, etc), and just a bunch of natural randomness. In other sports there's so many events you expect this stuff to iron out with a large enough sample size but with football it never gets big enough so you're mostly just building narratives, inevitably influenced by whatever narrative the league's media drones are pushing.

I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo is the ultimate example to me. He's played 5.5 games in his NFL career. He's played well, never particularly poorly, but he's been given the biggest contract in football and everyone is already crowning him as a perennial All-Pro. Imagine a basketball player playing well in 4 meaningless games at the end of a season and being given a max contract. It'd be justifiably called insane. But in football it's the way things are done.

FWIW, no team that started a season 0-9 had finished with more than 3 wins before the Niners went 6-10.

 

[primetime]

I expect Mason to get a contract close to Andrew Norwell's this offseason. It's not an unreasonable contract for a top-tier guard (Norwell is better than Mason) but I don't see the Patriots going that high.

 

[manxman2601]

Reports I've read seem to think he has the size to play OG well too. The classic versatility they're looking for. Plus the Iowa connection with Ferentz so they would feel confident about his ability to make the jump to the NFL.

I picked Frank Ragnow in the prediction contest for the same reason, except Bret Bielema as the connection instead. But that was before I heard Cincinnati was interested in him at 19; I thought he'd go early 2nd.

That was my initial reaction, the more I think about it, the more I like it. Daniels is perfect for this OL and plays much like Mason did - athletic, very quick footed. It’s a very interesting possibility. I don’t know where the linebacker is coming from - Kiser and Skai Moore perhaps or Carter, but they could go defense in the 2nd and Falk in the 3rd. Just a thought.

 

[manxman2601]

It should be noted that Mayock didn’t have him going in the first round in his mock.

 

[primetime]

FWIW, no team that started a season 0-9 had finished with more than 3 wins before the Niners went 6-10.

To be fair, a team that starts 0-9 would probably rationally be served absent a lottery by tanking, though usually the coach is too afraid for his job to bother.

Garoppolo played well but not historically great or anything and it was only 5 games (one against a team resting its starters). Don't get me wrong, I understand why you have to do it, but it's still evidence of how absurd football is in a certain way.

 

[manxman2601]

 

[SHOWTIME15]

We don’t and the Pats have the lowest amount of money being spent on the OL in the NFL so there’s definitely scope. Maybe it’s just a potential Andrews upgrade. They were looking at Feeney last year so it’s not a stretch. Also, Daniels is almost perfect for this OL and it’s scheme. The more I think about a pick like that, one I hadn’t considered at all, the more sense it makes. Ultimately I’d be surprised if we double dipped at OL in the first but Mayock’s mock has certainly got me thinking.

See, it'll always be a surprise pick with Bill.