Draft Game... Comment Thread

[mike100915]

Makes sense, they need OT help and Cousin's is a guy with alot of upside. He's a big, tough guy, who has the potential to really be a player.

 

[zarakotas5]

Just a heads up for folks...

Cleveland (midwestpatsfan) is up. This is CLE's first selection and mwpf hasn't been on since 3/18. So, I'm guessing this may go to a vote if you want to start thinking.

 

[DaBruinz]

I thought the Titans did that last year when they drafted Chris Henry. What's this the third year in a row where they have drafted a RB in the 2nd round.Good player, dumb pick.

Hmm.. Nice to know you didn't do your homework regarding the Titans roster. If you had, you'd know that White and Henry were the only RBs they had on their roster worth anything since Chris Brown signed with the Texans.

Also, you'd know that Chris Henry was pitiful on Kick Returns and is why they resorted to using Michael Griffin there. Henry also missed 4 games with a suspension last year and another 3 where the Titans sat him out.

Johnson will be much more dynamic on kick-offs than Henry and will allow the Titans to not risk their start youngster in Griffin.

Johnson gives the Titans another weapon to use on Punt returns besides Chris Davis. Johnson ALSO provides similar versatility to Kevin Faulk, with the ability to line-up in the back-field or split out wide.

So, taking Johnson does several things.
1) Give the Titans a change of pace back to compliment White.
2) Gets Michael Griffen off the kick return team, allowing him to focus on playing CB
3) Give the Titans a player similar to Kevin Faulk.
4) Increases the over-all talent of the Titans RB position.

 

[DaBruinz]

They also have Chris Davis as well who can return punts and kicks. It makes no sense taking a RB again for them in the 2nd round. They have alot more needs then a backup RB and someone who can return kicks.

Hmm.. Chris Davis who runs a 4.5 compared to Chris Johnson who runs a 4.24.

Davis is very comparable to Welker. Meaning he should be good on punts. Johnson, on the other hand, is likely to be Hester like on kicks and Punts.

I wasn't about to reach (like yourself) for a player or take a player who I didn't feel fit the Titans roster.

I took what I felt was the best VALUE available for the Titans.

OH, and they don't have as many holes as you'd like to believe. I actually have done research on them and am not just talking out my arse on the picks.

 

[Watson's IQ]

Hmm.. Nice to know you didn't do your homework regarding the Titans roster. If you had, you'd know that White and Henry were the only RBs they had on their roster worth anything since Chris Brown signed with the Texans.

Also, you'd know that Chris Henry was pitiful on Kick Returns and is why they resorted to using Michael Griffin there. Henry also missed 4 games with a suspension last year and another 3 where the Titans sat him out.

Johnson will be much more dynamic on kick-offs than Henry and will allow the Titans to not risk their start youngster in Griffin.

Johnson gives the Titans another weapon to use on Punt returns besides Chris Davis. Johnson ALSO provides similar versatility to Kevin Faulk, with the ability to line-up in the back-field or split out wide.

So, taking Johnson does several things.
1) Give the Titans a change of pace back to compliment White.
2) Gets Michael Griffen off the kick return team, allowing him to focus on playing CB
3) Give the Titans a player similar to Kevin Faulk.
4) Increases the over-all talent of the Titans RB position.

I'm with you, I think he went way overboard in calling it a dumb pick. Johnson brings a whole additional dynamic to their running and return game that neither White or Henry bring. As I mentioned in my previous post and you again pointed out, Henry was not good as a returner at all, and didn't return a single punt last year IIRC.

We've seen how much value a guy like Hester has had for the Bears, hell he WAS their offense last year, so to underrate the importance of a guy like that seems foolish at best.

I think it was a fine pick, and as I said before I would have made it myself if the Redskins didn't have Portis/Betts in the backfield and Randel El and Cartwright to return kicks.

 

[mike100915]

Hmm.. Chris Davis who runs a 4.5 compared to Chris Johnson who runs a 4.24.

Davis is very comparable to Welker. Meaning he should be good on punts. Johnson, on the other hand, is likely to be Hester like on kicks and Punts.

I wasn't about to reach (like yourself) for a player or take a player who I didn't feel fit the Titans roster.

I took what I felt was the best VALUE available for the Titans.

OH, and they don't have as many holes as you'd like to believe. I actually have done research on them and am not just talking out my arse on the picks.

Obviously you haven't done your research if you want to draft another RB for the Titans. This team has plently of needs, how about a WR, or some help on defense. Chris Johnson is a good player, just not a need for the Titans. Just because someone runs a 4.24 doesn't mean he is the next Devin Hester. Look at Bethel Johnson. In the 2nd round you need a guy who can step in and play, you want to draft someone just to return kicks and punts. Your too caught up on the Devin Hester thing, he's a once in 20 years return man. Face it you blew the pick!

 

[mike100915]

Also, they just spent the 2nd round pick on Chris Henry last year. There not going to just call this guy a bust now. So, you want to draft a guy in the 2nd round to be your third running back? Makes no sense to me. Chris Johnson is an excellent player, but there was no need to draft. So I guess if your the Patriots you draft McFadden at #7 then too.

 

[dryheat44]

I haven't been following this much, but looking at the pick list, let me say that I think Buffalo's winning.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Just a question on comp picks. Have they been awarded yet and which teams have comp picks in round 3? I really wished the Jets still had a 3rd rounder to spend in a fairly deep draft.

 

[JoePats]

I haven't been following this much, but looking at the pick list, let me say that I think Buffalo's winning.

Sweet. Thanks dryheat.

 

[DaBruinz]

Obviously you haven't done your research if you want to draft another RB for the Titans. This team has plently of needs, how about a WR, or some help on defense. Chris Johnson is a good player, just not a need for the Titans. Just because someone runs a 4.24 doesn't mean he is the next Devin Hester. Look at Bethel Johnson. In the 2nd round you need a guy who can step in and play, you want to draft someone just to return kicks and punts. Your too caught up on the Devin Hester thing, he's a once in 20 years return man. Face it you blew the pick!

Dude, I've done my homework. You might want to start following free agency a bit because you'd know that the Titans have added in areas already. LIKE WR where they added McCareins. They also signed Justin Gage to a long term deal to be the #2 opposite Roydell Williams.

WR:
Justin Gage, Roydell Williams, Chris Davis, Justin McCareins, Brandon Jones, Michael Williams, Paul Williams.


Defense:
Already picked up Harvey. They are solid in their top 3 right now and this year isn't great for LBs. I didn't care for the CBs available and wasn't about to reach. I know that YOU think its a smart move to reach a round or two for a player, but I don't.

As I said, do some homework, which you CLEARLY haven't.

Johnson, btw, is an damn good route runner. The same wasn't said of Bethel Johnson. Again, do your homework.

Henry will be White's back-up, but Johnson will be the 3rd down back.

BTW, just because they've taken 2 RBs in the 2nd round in the previous two years doesn't mean a damn thing when you see that they only have 2 RBs on the team since they've lost Travis Henry and Chris Brown in consecutive years.

No one is talking about giving up on Henry, but you need to face facts. He's already been suspended for 4 games for drugs. That's TWO failed drug tests from the time he was drafted until training camp was over. Another failed test and he's gone for a year.

Henry was LOUSY on kick returns, forcing Michael Griffin into the job. Chris Davis wasn't used but twice on kick returns and he was worse than Davis. Henry isn't used on punt returns and Davis isn't nearly as dynamic as Pacman Jones was there.

OH, btw, you don't have to tell me that Johnson running a 4.24 doesn't mean he'll be the next Devin Hester. I understand that. But he's already shown great return ability in college. Henry never showed that in college.

Chris Johnson WOULD come in and PLAY immediately for the Titans. On Kick returns. As a gunner on Punt Coverage. As a return threat. As the 3rd down back.

Instead of being a jackass, why don't you go do some homework on Chris Henry. You'll find out a LOT of things. Like the fact that he's a horrible route runner, while Johnson is excellent. Henry isn't great in pass protection either. Johnson is actually very good in pass protection and blitz pick-up.

Sorry, but you've failed miserably in your attempt to say that Johnson is a bad pick. HENRY was the bad pick last year. I'm correcting that mistake.

 

[Watson's IQ]

Obviously you haven't done your research if you want to draft another RB for the Titans. This team has plently of needs, how about a WR, or some help on defense. Chris Johnson is a good player, just not a need for the Titans. Just because someone runs a 4.24 doesn't mean he is the next Devin Hester. Look at Bethel Johnson. In the 2nd round you need a guy who can step in and play, you want to draft someone just to return kicks and punts. Your too caught up on the Devin Hester thing, he's a once in 20 years return man. Face it you blew the pick!

First of all, you're wrong. Second of all, don't be a jackass.

The Titans have already addressed their WR situation via Free Agency, and as DaBruinz correctly pointed out, they only currently have 2 RB on the roster, neither of whom bring the specific skill set that Chris Johnson has.

He's doing a credible enough job of defending his own pick, so I won't drag it out any further, other than to point out from a neutral standpoint that you are clearly in the wrong on this one. Don't compound your initial misjudgment by pretending to know more about the Titans' roster than you do (which is clearly not a lot).

 

[JoePats]

Justin McCariens is awful. He cannot be counted on to do anything except drop passes.

 

[mike100915]

They can add another RB either later in the draft or through free agency. There is a ton of available RB's you could add in rounds 5-7. Not in round 2. Peter Warrick was a great return man in college too, how did he fare in the pros? Not good. There are alot more pressing needs then a return man and a 3rd running back. Also what wide out her helps Vince Young, Justin Gage, Roydell Williams, Chris Davis, Justin McCareins, Brandon Jones, Michael Williams, Paul Williams? That have a bunch of number 2 and 3 wr's. Why not grab a Early Doucet,orgo DT and get a Dre Moore or Marcus Harrison. You do not draft 3rd running backs in the 2nd round.

 

[DaBruinz]

Justin McCariens is awful. He cannot be counted on to do anything except drop passes.

McCareins dropped all of 3 passes last year. On 46 targets. Now he only had 19 receptions, which isn't good, but when 15 of the passes aren't even close to his being able to catch it, that number is misleading.

But, with their top 4 receivers being set with Roydell Williams, Justin Gage, Brandon Jones and Chris Davis, a 5th receiver at this point isn't going to do much.

A RB like Johnson who can be the 3rd down back as well as kick return, punt return and play on coverage teams is much more valuable than a Chris Henry who is a horrible route runner, horrible at pass protection and horrible at blitz pick-ups.

 

[DaBruinz]

They can add another RB either later in the draft or through free agency. There is a ton of available RB's you could add in rounds 5-7. Not in round 2. Peter Warrick was a great return man in college too, how did he fare in the pros? Not good. There are alot more pressing needs then a return man and a 3rd running back. Also what wide out her helps Vince Young, Justin Gage, Roydell Williams, Chris Davis, Justin McCareins, Brandon Jones, Michael Williams, Paul Williams? That have a bunch of number 2 and 3 wr's. Why not grab a Early Doucet,orgo DT and get a Dre Moore or Marcus Harrison. You do not draft 3rd running backs in the 2nd round.

Kevin Faulk was a 2nd round pick. And people knew right away he wasn't going to be able to be the primary back for the Pats. Was that really that bad?

Why not grab Doucet? Gee. I don't know? Maybe because he doesn't fit their team? Maybe because Doucet performed poorly at his Pro Day and really wasn't impressive at the Senior Bowl?

Dre Moore? He rates out as a 3rd/4th rounder for me because of his knee injury. Harrison? He's a 5th rounder. I don't reach for prospects the way you clearly do. YOU may think that drafting a dynamic player like Johnson isn't something to do in the 2nd round, but I think differently.

OH, btw, what other RB later in the draft offers the same sort of dynamic ability that Chris Johnson offers?

 

[SamBamsFan]

Nice pick for whoever took Charles. He was the one I was going to draft (even sent mavfan a PM asking him to pick him if I wasn't online). I've been reading up on him and watched some clips on Youtube - man he's good.

Thanks BP-
I like Charles a lot. Speed to burn. Nice slashing style runner. gained 870- odd yards as a true freshman for the Longhorns National Champ squad. Average over 6 yards a carry a 3 years, and totaled 39 touchdowns. I think he has gotten lost on this board, as he isn't a Patriot "need".
Mike-
Give it up. It is just a game. DB has defended his pick countless times. And it is his pick. I debated on whether to take Johnson w/ my pick, but decided that a rotational back (Charles w/ Edge), was better then Johnson, who I view as a third down back(just from readings as I have not seen E Carolina play).
On with the game...

 

[mike100915]

Actually the Patriots drafted Kevin Faulk to be there starter.

I would rather draft Dre Moore in the 2nd round. There will still be plently of RB's in the later rounds. And for my return man that you claim they need so badly you can add Dexter Jackson in round 4. Who could fill your need as a WR which they need, but also a excellent return man. That fills two holes with one pick. There wideouts are awful. Dexter Jackson is someone who you can grab in Round 4 that can be a terrific slot reciever and an excellent return man. That would be good value with the pick. And for your 3rd down RB you can add Thomas Brown in Round 6. Another back who I like that can really catch would be Andre Callender who probably will go undrafted. He has excellent hands. I believe Dre Moore would be a more effective pick for the Titans then Chris Johnson.

 

[mike100915]

Thanks BP-
I like Charles a lot. Speed to burn. Nice slashing style runner. gained 870- odd yards as a true freshman for the Longhorns National Champ squad. Average over 6 yards a carry a 3 years, and totaled 39 touchdowns. I think he has gotten lost on this board, as he isn't a Patriot "need".
Mike-
Give it up. It is just a game. DB has defended his pick countless times. And it is his pick. I debated on whether to take Johnson w/ my pick, but decided that a rotational back (Charles w/ Edge), was better then Johnson, who I view as a third down back(just from readings as I have not seen E Carolina play).
On with the game...

I have no problem with Johnson in the 2nd round. Just feel there are better options. Also this is a forum to discuss others picks. That's the fun of it. I have no problem someone questioning my picks.

 

[zarakotas5]

I think adding Johnson would give Vince Young more to work with than any receiver presently on their roster. White/Johnson combo would be like trying to tackle people in a room lit by a strobe light (i.e.: timing discontinuity) for the opposition.

Safety valve with great hands, tough to get a hold of. Vince could use exactly that.