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We need a superweapon WR like the Chiefs had last year in Juju… oh wait, we have Juju… now he sucks.
There’s a big difference between Hunter Henry, Mike Gesicki and Kelce… the first two have never been on an offense as good as the Chiefs before or received 150 targets. Otherwise they’re all pretty comparable players.
Their weapons are good but would be much better with the addition of Hopkins. Still, the player leading the charge - the QB Mac jones - definitely is not striking fear in hearts of any defense. Winning with an average or lesser quarterback is rare.
Only one team wins the Super Bowl. Since 2014 there have been 9 Super Bowls with 18 starting quarterbacks. Since 2014 the two best quarterbacks in the NFL have been Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes (and he wasn't starting until 2018). Of those 18 starting Super Bowl quarterbacks, Brady and Mahomes account for 8 (44%), and they account for 6 of the 9 winning quarterbacks (67%). That you can sit there and honestly argue against the overwhelming importance of an elite quarterback when the two best have won 67% of the last 9 Super Bowls is ridiculous.
So the Patriots are going to have the (at minimum) 6th highest scoring offense in the NFL in 2023? Are you taking bets on this? Because I'm allover that.
Are saying they're individually among the best TEs in the NFL? Or they're one of the best duos? Because the first interpretation is ludicrous.
Um, Travis Kelce is superior to Henry and Gesicki by any comparable. He's soon to be the GOAT TE.
I respect Andy Reid quite a bit but no way was he winning a Super Bowl with Mac Jones quarterbacking the offense he had last season.
That's why Brady goes to a new team with new players and new coaches and wins immediately like he did in New England for two decades when from the first to last championship he was the only player there for every time. Brady's as dependent of the players and coaches around him as he is of the football field itself, he needs the surface to perform on. You act like Brady's not the indisputable GOAT. Or like he's the GOAT for reasons unrelated to himself. Again, ridiculous.
Bro are you high
That formula rarely works and the Pats don’t have the parts to do that in this era. In fact, nobody does. Lots of pressure riding on their rookies.
I can kind of understand the framework of the personnel group from this POV. Using Henry and Gesicki simultaneously will be hard to cover in man and might push teams to run zone, which Juju does a good job beating.
If things were different. They would be different.
You absolutely right captain
This is essentially the same problem we had last year except Gesicki is a better player and rr than Smith. Still neither can block inline.
maybe the Pats call a fake handoff to the RB on first down and hit the TE in stride on a middle cut? I mean, I'd like to see that and many other first down permutations rather than the 99% "run it up the middle on first down" Rocket Scientist offense.
We used motion at the snap the least in the league last year or bottom 3. Yes we could be a little more creative. Even Josh's last year but he was dealing with a rookie QB. So I get that. This year we should be really seeing what he can handle though.
Wozzy I agree with alot of your takes about the importance of team over any one player even the GOAT QB but you are off the reservation on this one. Gesicki and Henry are average players giving you average production. If they were good enough to be getting 150 targets a season they would be. They only get 60-80 targets cuz they are only open that much versus Kelce, as much as I dislike him, is better at getting separation. He is a better weapon and is part of what makes Mahomes so good, he has a place to go in an emergency. The new NFL is all about scoring and having a #1 weapon (WR, TE whatever) is becoming a larger and larger part of that talent equation you talk about. I preferred football when good o line play was the most important thing but to say it hasn't changed is just sticking your head in the sand going la la la la la I can't hear you.
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