Central Thread For Mourning/Canonizing Jimmy Garoppolo

[Huckleberry1]

Really think what's driving Belichick crazy with 40 year old Brady is there's no finish line.
If Brady came into this season and said I'm playing 2 more years and that's it then Jimmy G would still be here and the Patriots would be all set at QB for the next ten years.
But that is not what's happening.
Brady won't commit to anything, he's got the owners love and loyalty and because of it the GM/HC is stuck in a holding pattern when it comes to the most important position on the football field.
Don't care what the stats say, Brady's game is slowly diminishing. He no longer plays strong games....he plays strong quarters or strong series. It's not a criticism at all, he's 40 years old and that trend of diminishing play will only get worse.
Garappolo was to Brady what Young was to Montana and Rodgers was to Favre.
And the owner forced the GM to trade the heir apparent because I believe Belichick was going to move on from Brady after NEXT season but was told Brady stays as long as he wants, Brady will not commit to any timetable for his retirement and that made working out a long term deal with Garappolo impossible without blowing up the roster.

That’s what is driving you crazy, don’t try to pretend you and Belichick are of like minds because he chose Brady, wheareas you wanted to get rid of both 3 years ago.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Jimmy G gets franchised, we get another year out of Brady, Brady retires in 2019, Jimmy G is a free agent....

Belichick, in his presser related to the decision, clearly said that the option of carrying Brady and Garoppolo next year was not economically viable. We have no way of knowing whether he was saying what he really believes or whether he was being a good soldier, offering a plausible defense of a decision with which he did not agree.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Awww did I upset the teenage girls in the Brady fanclub????

Sorry but this discussion is for PATRIOT FANS, aka NFL FOOTBALL FANS vs giggling starry eyed Brady fans. There is a HUGE difference between the two and you can tell who belongs in what camp by the "emotion" in the responses.

So, your answer to on point questions about the source of your assertions is to deflect by ad-hominem.
We get where you're coming from.
Fantasizing. Pulling it outa your a**.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Where is this coming from?

Are you paying attention to what is going on???
Take all emotion out of it. Think this through for yourself and draw some conclusions.
Let me ask you a question, do you think Belichick has any desire to spend the next few years building a team around a 42 - 43 year old QB?? You think he sees ANY upside in that for his team??

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

So, not seeing ANY upside, BB walks away after February. Be consistent with your fantasy world.

 

[Clonamery]

So, not seeing ANY upside, BB walks away after February. Be consistent with your fantasy world.

The troll can only hope.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Are you paying attention to what is going on???

Yes

Take all emotion out of it. Think this through for yourself and draw some conclusions.

I have

Let me ask you a question, do you think Belichick has any desire to spend the next few years building a team around a 42 - 43 year old QB??

As long as he is playing at an MVP level, yep.

You think he sees ANY upside in that for his team??

Winning Super Bowls

 

[IllegalContact]

I still think the pats should have kept him until the last possible moment....especially since they only got a 2nd rounder

I feel like if Brady wins an SB this year that it would be the most obvious time to walk away.

Because if he doesn’t and winds up with some injury that has him walking like joe Montana, then he gets to win the hubris award

All told, the current path is a reasonable one

 

[RhodyPatriot]

It's pretty simple:
If you wanted to keep Jimmy G then you have to trade Brady. Math does not work otherwise. Could have kept them both through the end of this year then traded Brady in the off season (assuming he allows it) You would take a cap hit for Brady leaving and would then have to either franchise JG or extend him for 5/100 or something like that. Would have taken a big bite out of cap in 2018.

I prefer the strategy they took but an argument could be made to have moved on from Brady.

To me this would have reduced their SB chances for the next couple of years but they would likely be in better shape from 2021 forward. (depends on how long Brady plays, who they draft and if JG becomes top 10 or top 3)

I think Garappolo would have played ball vis-vis agreeing to have his contract extended by a year if they knew Brady was definitely retiring/moving on by the end of next season and it would become Jimmy's team.
IMO I don't think Belichick is looking to push Brady out this offseason. I think BB is grateful and very mindful of what Brady has meant to the organization all these years. Think BB was looking to move on from Brady after next season one way or another and the owner made it clear that only Brady was calling that shot and because of it he was forced to trade Garappolo.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Yes


I have


As long as he is playing at an MVP level, yep.


Winning Super Bowls

Brady is not playing at an MVP level, I think the last shot they have at a Super Bowl in the Brady era is this year (a lot has to break right for them for that to happen) and as Tom E Curran put it a couple of days ago, for the first time in 17 years there is a palpable feeling that the window is closing on this Brady/Belichick dynasty.

 

[jam757]

I still think the pats should have kept him until the last possible moment....especially since they only got a 2nd rounder

I feel like if Brady wins an SB this year that it would be the most obvious time to walk away.

Because if he doesn’t and winds up with some injury that has him walking like joe Montana, then he gets to win the hubris award

All told, the current path is a reasonable one

Brady is playing until he is 45. Five more years after this one.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

Slow the roll on the 2018 49ers playoff hype train, it's 5 games with zero pressure.

Now people already have them a a contender in 2018, we'll see.

There's been many many QBs in the last 10 years who have a great first 10 games or season and haven't progressed like everyone expected.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Brady is not playing at an MVP level, I think the last shot they have at a Super Bowl in the Brady era is this year (a lot has to break right for them for that to happen) and as Tom E Curran put it a couple of days ago, for the first time in 17 years there is a palpable feeling that the window is closing on this Brady/Belichick dynasty.

You are panicking.

They don't need him to be at an MVP level to win a SB.

 

[XLIX]

Brady is not playing at an MVP level, I think the last shot they have at a Super Bowl in the Brady era is this year (a lot has to break right for them for that to happen) and as Tom E Curran put it a couple of days ago, for the first time in 17 years there is a palpable feeling that the window is closing on this Brady/Belichick dynasty.

What is it about Brady having an MVP season and going 13-3 this year despite not having his #1 receiver whom he will be getting back next year that makes you think they have no shot at winning a Super Bowl?

BTW, people just like you talked about how "the window is closing on this Brady/Belichick dynasty" after the 2014 Kansas City game. You've been repeating the same mantra for years. If we listened to you then, we'd probably have 2 fewer Lombardi's.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Brady is not playing at an MVP level, I think the last shot they have at a Super Bowl in the Brady era is this year (a lot has to break right for them for that to happen) and as Tom E Curran put it a couple of days ago, for the first time in 17 years there is a palpable feeling that the window is closing on this Brady/Belichick dynasty.

What is going to happen in 2018 that eliminates any shot at the SB? Another pre-season, early season spate of threads that Brady is done?

Of COURSE theres a feeling that the BB/TFB dynasty is closing. Brady has said so. Even HE only plans to play a few more seasons until he's 45. He's 41 this year. By definition the dynasty is closing. So is the sun to set in the West tonight.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

If we win a couple of more Super Bowls it won't matter. I just hope bill can find that next QB. I think brady can play a couple of more years but i am not sure after 2019.

 

[XLIX]

I think Garappolo would have played ball vis-vis agreeing to have his contract extended by a year if they knew Brady was definitely retiring/moving on by the end of next season and it would become Jimmy's team.

There is no way Garoppolo would have agreed to ride the pine another year, especially since he is already in his mid-20's. And I would have zero respect for the man if he did.

You are literally suggesting he would willingly take less money to sit on the bench, and sacrifice more money that he would get elsewhere AND he would be playing. Gimme a break.

 

[RobertWeathers]

There is no way Garoppolo would have agreed to ride the pine another year, especially since he is already in his mid-20's. And I would have zero respect for the man if he did.

You are literally suggesting he would willingly take less money to sit on the bench, and sacrifice more money that he would get elsewhere AND he would be playing. Gimme a break.

That's what the Garrapolites believe. They also believe BB would pay him $23m under the tag and keep paying Tom $14m

 

[RIpats88]

Bills main goal is to win superbowls. and clearly he decided we have a better chance of doing that with Brady.

sure we could have winning seasons with Jimmy G. but can he lead his team to a superbowl? we've seen brady do it 7 times and win 5 of them.

 

[Angelpats]

. Think BB was looking to move on from Brady after next season one way or another and the owner made it clear that only Brady was calling that shot and because of it he was forced to trade Garappolo.

Kraft would never force BB to make any moves concerning any player. Your speculation on this matter is on mediot-level absurdity. Brady has said 5 years numerous times and he has been a man and player of integrity for his whole career so why would you question his decision to play five more years unless you are just trying to prove a point. If Kraft did force BB to keep Brady, do you know what that outcome would be? He would either trade Brady or resign.