CB Aqib Talib re-signs (with Patriots) for One Year

[FredFromDartmouth]

Talib's play wasn't great. But I think that was sort of by design.

What!? This is crazy talk. His play was outstanding; he totally changed the defense.

The Patriots cannot sit on their laurels and consider that they are all set for CB. There is no way that Fonsie and Talib are going to be starting all season; one or both will be injured. At some point the Patriot will figure out that they need quality depth at CB...hopefully it is this offseason...

 

[CelticPatriot]

Delighted with this.

 

[Ring 6]

Uhmm what? With Aqib Talib they allowed 0 points and 2 3 and outs, small sample size but what you said is completely untrue.

He played 7 plays and got injured...again. Its the same defense. Its also the same defense that looked as bad as a defense can vs SF at home, with Talib.

 

[Ring 6]

If the Pats lose Talib and Jones again, then they're probably going to be in trouble no matter who else they add.

Not if they add pass rushers and dbs.

 

[Brady2Moss]

He played 7 plays and got injured...again. Its the same defense. Its also the same defense that looked as bad as a defense can vs SF at home, with Talib.

What you said was totally false its a different defense with Talib.

How about this:

Its also the same defense that looked as good as a defense can vs Hou at home, with Talib.

 

[Ring 6]

What you said was totally false its a different defense with Talib.

How about this:

Its also the same defense that looked as good as a defense can vs Hou at home, with Talib.

Talib was on the team, and sat out with an injury. You seem to want to think a guy who misses a lot of time with injuries doesnt have sitting out injured as part of who he is.

The facts are if you look at the 2012 Patriots the defense performed very equally when Talib played and when he did not.
I get that it is encouraging that he could improve the defense, and I get you can fall back on excuses of injuries and being out of football shape when he got here, but that doesn't change the facts, and the facts were that the defense performed pretty equally with or without him.

If you seriously want to argue 7 plays in a game is indication of what would have happened if he played the whole game, go ahead, but please have that discussion with someone much more gullible than me.

But, we are back to where we left off. I am just going to choose to talk football with someone other than you. Have a nice evening.

 

[Brady2Moss]

Talib was on the team, and sat out with an injury. You seem to want to think a guy who misses a lot of time with injuries doesnt have sitting out injured as part of who he is.

The facts are if you look at the 2012 Patriots the defense performed very equally when Talib played and when he did not.
I get that it is encouraging that he could improve the defense, and I get you can fall back on excuses of injuries and being out of football shape when he got here, but that doesn't change the facts, and the facts were that the defense performed pretty equally with or without him.

If you seriously want to argue 7 plays in a game is indication of what would have happened if he played the whole game, go ahead, but please have that discussion with someone much more gullible than me.

But, we are back to where we left off. I am just going to choose to talk football with someone other than you. Have a nice evening.

So you attribute excuses I never made to my statement. I said it was a small sample size, but I think 7 plays that actually happened are a better indication than the game that occurred in the alternate reality you live in where Talib played and the defense allowed 28 points with him on the field.

That's funny you got called out on making a completely untrue statement and then told me I was making excuses for Talib when I never did to make yourself feel better about being totally wrong.

Goodnight.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It was a statistical fact that in the weeks after acquiring Talib, the team allowed less points and by most statistics (pass D rating, yards, points, etc.) the defense was better than Talib than without him. With that said, his addition meant..

-DMC moving to SS
-Arrington moving to the slot
-Dennard matching up with the teams #2 WR
-Expanded, exotic defensive packages used as the kids were getting the playbook.

Overall, Talib is an outstanding talent who I believe is a great addition to this team but he is not THE reason the team's pass defense improved in the last 10 games or so.

 

[Ring 6]

It was a statistical fact that in the weeks after acquiring Talib, the team allowed less points and by most statistics (pass D rating, yards, points, etc.) the defense was better than Talib than without him. With that said, his addition meant..

-DMC moving to SS
-Arrington moving to the slot
-Dennard matching up with the teams #2 WR
-Expanded, exotic defensive packages used as the kids were getting the playbook.

Overall, Talib is an outstanding talent who I believe is a great addition to this team but he is not THE reason the team's pass defense improved in the last 10 games or so.

It has been talked about as a fact, but it is not an accurate fact.

 

[fumbrunner]

Glad he re-signed. If Ras-I could stay healthy (big if, I know), the Pats have likely the most physical Pats secondary since the Ty Law era. I'm glad the days of midget CBs are over.

 

[Ring 6]

It was a statistical fact that in the weeks after acquiring Talib, the team allowed less points and by most statistics (pass D rating, yards, points, etc.) the defense was better than Talib than without him. With that said, his addition meant..

-DMC moving to SS
-Arrington moving to the slot
-Dennard matching up with the teams #2 WR
-Expanded, exotic defensive packages used as the kids were getting the playbook.

Overall, Talib is an outstanding talent who I believe is a great addition to this team but he is not THE reason the team's pass defense improved in the last 10 games or so.

Talib played 6 games in the reg season, and the Patriots allowed 130 points in those games, for an average of 21.7ppg
In the 10 games Talib did not play, the Patriots allowed 201 points, or 20.1 ppg.

In all fairness it should be pointed out that in 1 game Talib is credited for playing he barely played. That game was Jville and the team allowed only 16 points. So if we counted that as not a game he really played in then it is 22.8 with him playing and 19.7 with him.
These are simply facts.

 

[stelfans]

lol anyone who. thinks this defense is the same with and without talib is not paying attention.
Actually, thats competely absurd because he is in fact a good player.

 

[Ring 6]

It was a statistical fact that in the weeks after acquiring Talib, the team allowed less points and by most statistics (pass D rating, yards, points, etc.) the defense was better than Talib than without him. With that said, his addition meant..

-DMC moving to SS
-Arrington moving to the slot
-Dennard matching up with the teams #2 WR
-Expanded, exotic defensive packages used as the kids were getting the playbook.

Overall, Talib is an outstanding talent who I believe is a great addition to this team but he is not THE reason the team's pass defense improved in the last 10 games or so.

Talib's 6 games: 2277 total yards allowed (380/game)Pass yards 1565 (261pg)
10 without Talib: 3695 total yards (370 per game) Pass yards 2777 (278pg)

As I said, people would like to believe the defense played better, but really it didnt.

 

[Drake&BarmoreFTW]

Talib's 6 games: 2277 total yards allowed (380/game)Pass yards 1565 (261pg)
10 without Talib: 3695 total yards (370 per game) Pass yards 2777 (278pg)

As I said, people would like to believe the defense played better, but really it didnt.

How many of those yards with Talib were in garbage time where were up so much that the defense sort of just stopped trying?

 

[Ring 6]

lol anyone who. thinks this defense is the same with and without talib is not paying attention.
Actually, thats competely absurd because he is in fact a good player.

Its not an analysis that Talib doesn't improve the defense. I think the defense WILL be better with him.
What I am pointing out though is that in 2012 it was not. I accept the excuses, and reasoning, but what happened on the field actually happened.

 

[Ring 6]

How many of those yards with Talib were in garbage time where were up so much that the defense sort of just stopped trying?

I would imagine just about the same as when he wasn't here. If the defense just stopped trying, isn't that a bigger problem, by the way.
Again, I understand we have more talent with Talib on the team. It is just incorrect to, and a HUGE misconception around here that we actually played better with him.

 

[Keyser Söze]

I really hope Dowling can stay healthy.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

I really hope Dowling can stay healthy.

hahahahahhaa


Sorry this made me actually laugh out loud. I give it 3 weeks into training camp.

 

[JMC00]

Its also the same defense that looked as bad as a defense can vs SF at home, with Talib.

Ya because that 49ers game was all the defense's fault. Offense turns the ball over 4 times and then the special teams unit allows a fake punt.

Out of 15 SF drives

SF had 3 TD drives that were under 40 yards (3 yards, 27 yards & 38 yards).

3 scoring drives over 60 yards. (2 TD 1 FG)

NE defense stopped SF on 9 drives only allowing a total of 110 yards on those drives. 7 of them they got off the field on 4 plays or less (4 of them 3 & outs, 1 of them a fumble recovery on first down) and the 2 drives more than 4 plays were 38 & 37 yards which ended in a Missed FG and an INT.

But yep let's blame that one all on the defense.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Talib's 6 games: 2277 total yards allowed (380/game)Pass yards 1565 (261pg)
10 without Talib: 3695 total yards (370 per game) Pass yards 2777 (278pg)

As I said, people would like to believe the defense played better, but really it didnt.

Passer rating vs and ppg were lower after Talib joined the ballclub.

In addition, After surrendering an average of 285.3 yards, a 66.1 completion percentage and 19 touchdowns in the first nine games, the Patriots have trimmed those numbers to a 253.4 average, a 57.3 percentage and 10 scores.

Talib does not deserve all the credit, but he absolutely deserves some.