Carter & Hunter gone by 4# Trade down?

[203Pat]

I'm telling you, if Shedur is still on the board, trade with the Jets so they can get stuck with him. He is going to be mid on the pro level and gives us a chance to F them over

Sanders will make Kyle Wilson look mature. I think that kid gets eaten alive in NY.

 

[stinkypete]

Graham will be the BPA, but we're flush with cap in a big free agent class for DL. If we can sign Levi Onwuzurike and Milton Williams then Graham doesn't make a ton of sense.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

"BooHoo they're picking on my son"
"Why don't you tackle the guy"

"I didn't even do that when I was getting paid millions....Ice Up Son!"

 

[silentone]

At this point I’m against trading down because I see teams trying to get cute and end up screwed in the process. Trading down guarantees nothing. Stand pat (pun intended) and take bpa UNLESS a giant offer comes around.

Trading down guarantees you pay less for the draft pick.

2024:
#4 pick got $8.8mm per year
#12 pick got $4.7mm per year
#33 pick got $2.5mm per year
#50 pick got $1.9mm per year

Trading down guarentees you get more picks which can be helpful if your team has many holes to fill

Trading down can help you match BPA with your biggest positional need if your current pick doesn't accomplish that.

Trading down can prevent you being stuck with an awful contract if the pick is a bust.

Trading down can create value if you receive more in trade value.

I hope the Patriots can trade down from #4 to around 9-12 where OT's will likely not be huge reaches and where the contract is around 50% of pick #4.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

The difference between 4m and 9m is nothing, not sure Awful is even in the discussion.
I want BALLERS, I don't care where they they are drafted.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I don't think Vrabel passes Travis Hunter if he's there @ 4. Hunter could fill Two Needs for a Team and we have many.

I would be very surprised if Hunter can play both sides of of the ball full time
I see him playing CB while sprinkling in some offense here and there or vice a versa
Looking at his body I do not believe it would hold up in the NFL
More important.
Meetings and film study in the NFL is time consuming for one side of the ball never mind two
A lot of times offense meetings and Defense meetings are taking place simultaneously
I can see a Coordinator pulling him aside to put in gadget plays for him. But to play full time. No way
Charles Woodson or Champ Bailey could not do it
Last one to do it was Chuck Badnarik in the 50’s. That was a different game back then
I’m out on Hunter

 

[WhatJustHappened]

People that actually believe that Hunter is going to be a 2 way professional in the NFL are fkn dreaming.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Trading down guarantees you pay less for the draft pick.

2024:
#4 pick got $8.8mm per year
#12 pick got $4.7mm per year
#33 pick got $2.5mm per year
#50 pick got $1.9mm per year

Trading down guarentees you get more picks which can be helpful if your team has many holes to fill

Trading down can help you match BPA with your biggest positional need if your current pick doesn't accomplish that.

Trading down can prevent you being stuck with an awful contract if the pick is a bust.

Trading down can create value if you receive more in trade value.

I hope the Patriots can trade down from #4 to around 9-12 where OT's will likely not be huge reaches and where the contract is around 50% of pick #4.

Trading down can also mean getting a less player(s)
Which means you could get a good player at 4 for 8.8 mil. And 2 duds 10 and 33 at 7 mil together
Now you wasted 7 mil and got nothing in return
It’s a crap shoot.
But if you see a player that you have highly rated at 4. Then don’t screw around. Take him

 

[condon84]

Scar is the one who said that using arm length as an evaluation metric is stupid.

Scar also said you don't pick OLs in the top of the draft. You go after guys who can get you TDs and sacks.

But me personally, I’m kind of an old-school guy, you know? I’ve heard the saying that if I’m taking a guy with the fourth pick in the draft, I’m taking a guy who can sack the quarterback or score touchdowns. I think I would take a guy that can do those things over an offensive lineman.

MSN

 

[BTTA]

I think Sanders does what every big time college coach is doing. I just think he's less shy about it.

The ones who don't want to sell their soul are retiring.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

I have a feeling that Hunter might not be a bust but he won't live up to the lofty expectations as either a CB or WR.

I have a feeling if he concentrates on one position he’d be nfl elite

 

[TinhWoodhead]

hey, “Carter & Hunter” could be a new clothing line…

 

[silentone]

The difference between 4m and 9m is nothing, not sure Awful is even in the discussion.
I want BALLERS, I don't care where they they are drafted.

Trading down can also mean getting a less player(s)
Which means you could get a good player at 4 for 8.8 mil. And 2 duds 10 and 33 at 7 mil together
Now you wasted 7 mil and got nothing in return
It’s a crap shoot.
But if you see a player that you have highly rated at 4. Then don’t screw around. Take him

Agree it's a crap shoot which I think supports my thoughts. I don't think teams are good at differentiating relative talent. A couple of advanced analytical studies support the notion that teams are not good at identifying talent and that trading down from a high pick such as #4 is smart business. It turns out that the sweet spot of relative value is roughly picks 9-13. In fact the studies found that the 12th pick was more valuable than the 4th pick (one study excluded QB's). When I write that (the 12th pick is more valuable than the 4th pick) I'm guessing most people think I'm an idiot. Maybe people are either unaware of the research done or simply think it's flawed which is their perogative. I think the biggest difference is that in these forums it's possible people overestimate their teams ability to identify the booms from the busts and underestimate the importance of the cost of the drafted player as a % of the salary cap. I wish people discussed the costs more.

 

[Wozzy]

Teams panic, they reach for QB’s and other positions, the screw up… wait for other teams to reach and screw up.

Trade back if there isn’t a stud staring you in the face at 4, not sure a 5’10 lightweight CB who plays a little WR in a relatively weak college conference is that guy.

They need beef in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They have Marcus Jones already, don’t need another one.

 

[MrTibbs]

Did he tell you that?

The "majority" of analysts and scouts have stated that.

 

[dliverey44]

Here's a question who would GM BB select @ 4 if Carter and Hunter are gone?? I think the answer is obvious and it wouldn't be a Projected NFL Guard. Mike Vrabel isca Defense HC who usually go with their Gut feeling.

I think the take of not drafting a guard in the top 5 is ridiculous. If you think the guy has the ability to be a 10 year starter and make numerous probowls, then it doesn't matter where you draft them. I think Graham is way to go regardless of who is there.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Teams panic, they reach for QB’s and other positions, the screw up… wait for other teams to reach and screw up.

Trade back if there isn’t a stud staring you in the face at 4, not sure a 5’10 lightweight CB who plays a little WR in a relatively weak college conference is that guy.

They need beef in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They have Marcus Jones already, don’t need another one.

Who are you even talking about? Travis Hunter is 6'1 and won the Biletnikoff award. Marcus Jones is a nickel CB and only 5'8. Hunter is an outside corner.

 

[dliverey44]

Graham will be the BPA, but we're flush with cap in a big free agent class for DL. If we can sign Levi Onwuzurike and Milton Williams then Graham doesn't make a ton of sense.

Levi had a spinal fusion this year, I would stay away from that

 

[Huckleberry1]

I expect Graham to be there at 4 and beyond Carter, I don't see him behind anyone else. What keeps me from getting too excited about Hunter is this. I can't forget the simple no brain strategy of Bills' very effective tactic to combat Revis over the years. He simply figured out who he was covering... and never threw him the ball. That is why it was such an advantage for the Pats never to really have a #1 WR, you never had anyone to focus your D on.l

While having Hunter would definitely be a plus on defense and add some flexibility and depth to the offense, I don't see him as being as impactful as a guy like Graham who can impact up to 30 or 40 individual plays per game each week.

On the other hand, I could be enticed to drop as many as 6 or 7 picks for the right package if guys like Warren and Walker are around. The hype on those and others are starting to peak my interest. However, we are having this discussion because the VERY top end talent this year is very thin

I pretty much agree Ken. I I se Graham as an investment in the D Line similar to what Belichick did early in his tenure. And if Barmore returns fulll time it would give them a really good young DL.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think the take of not drafting a guard in the top 5 is ridiculous. If you think the guy has the ability to be a 10 year starter and make numerous probowls, then it doesn't matter where you draft them. I think Graham is way to go regardless of who is there.

I agree, but they have to be exceptional. Quentin Nelson is a guy who would fit that criteria, but they are rare. The same can be said of RB, where I can see an argument for Ashton Jeanty. Most people will balk, and make a valid argument that you can get good running backs on days 2 & 3, but Jeanty isn’t any RB, he’s a guy who gives you an instant first rate run game. And if you want to build a dominant physical team then running the ball down their throats is the best way to get there. However in this draft I think a better route, provided they address OT in free agency, would be to take Graham at 4, then take either Omarion Hampton or Kaleb Johnson in the 2nd round.