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Why dont they count 2000?
And 2001... when we started 0-2.
I'd add 5-13 to the figure in the OP for a total of: 33-32....not bad!
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Counting his CLE days Bill is 7 games under .500 lifetime as HC without Brady. It doesn't mean much if anything at all if he can get to .500 without Brady but it's looking these days like it's a very doable accomplishment before BB calls it a career.And 2001... when we started 0-2.
I'd add 5-13 to the figure in the OP for a total of: 33-32....not bad!
This was my point earlier.I am just pushing back against the notion that his coaching supersedes player talent. It doesn't. We learned that last year and this off-season when he spent $165 mil upgrading the team.
Aren't you the one who HATES Josh? LOL I mean you do know Bill is a defensive guy, right?.
I have never understood the 'record without Brady' crap. Let's do this the other way.
Name me 3-5 other NFL teams in the year 2000, tell me the team/coach/starting-QB at the time that would have drafted Tom Brady in the 7th round or signed him as a UDFA, and within 4 years would have elevated Brady to be the NFL Starting Quarterback over their existing incumbent. I want to really pressure test this thesis. I think there are no teams besides New England where Brady would even have a legit chance.
We can go over BB's record all we want, point is Brady in all likelihood is selling insurance fulltime in 95% of the scenarios without William Belichick not only drafting him but then keeping an unprecedented/rare 4th QB on a roster for a whole year and then having the balls to bench his pro bowl massive-contract QB for this total-unknown guy. Most other NFL coaches are not like BB. This goes for JC Jackson, Edelman, Malcolm Butler, Stephen Neal as well. Some guys simply would have never had a NFL career, period, without Belichick.
Let's get off this Brady vs Bill discussion or this thread will be locked....not pointing at any particular poster, just the last post that was made.Aren't you the one who HATES Josh? LOL I mean you do know Bill is a defensive guy, right?
To answer your question though, Brady would have flourished under Coughlin, Shanny, Cowher, and Reid, among others.
I think a lot of us feel that an all time great QB is more valuable than an all time great coach. That's not anti-BB.
I don't think anyone here really thinks Bill sucks or at least I'd hope not. BB right now has a rebuilding team on a rookie QB whose window realistically should not be open yet - in the conversation among the best in the AFC. That's remarkable.
Let's not get into one of these discussions again....the GOAT head coach (our head coach) can win with talent, a lack of talent and no head coach will be successful, no matter how good he is...point taken with Brady's team when he wasn't there......please no more Bill vs Tom....we're on a 5 game winning streak in 1st place...let' s enjoy!!!Counting his CLE days Bill is 7 games under .500 lifetime as HC without Brady. It doesn't mean much if anything at all if he can get to .500 without Brady but it's looking these days like it's a very doable accomplishment before BB calls it a career.
Aren't you
Probably best to just lock it. The thread ran its course anyways.Let's get off this Brady vs Bill discussion or this thread will be locked....not pointing at any particular poster, just the last post that was made.
This was my point earlier.
Fans can't de-couple BB the GM from BB the coach. I've never agreed with it and never will.
So when fans start the TB12 < BB they are saying BB the coach which I agree with.
When fans say TB12 < BB HC+GM I don't agree.
I never understood how a fan of our team could be so negative toward our coach...especially the greatest coach of all time....just doesn't make sense to me....I guess they would rather jump ship and root for another team which is fine, but why then stay on a Patriot fan site.
Since the Brady era, game 2/3 of 2001.....11-5 in 2008, 3-1 in 2016, 7-9 in 2020 and 7-4 in 2021.. total 28-19 , a hair under .600.....And 2001... when we started 0-2.
I'd add 5-13 to the figure in the OP for a total of: 33-32....not bad!
Believe me, I am on the train.
Coughlin would have been interesting. He's not everyone's cup of tea and for all that people say about BB I'd say that's even more true for Coughlin. Strahan despised the guy and he wasn't the only one. BB often goes over the top to keep his players grounded but Coughlin would call out his players with the best of them.Aren't you the one who HATES Josh? LOL I mean you do know Bill is a defensive guy, right?
To answer your question though, Brady would have flourished under Coughlin, Shanny, Cowher, and Reid, among others.
Oh yeah for sure. I don't think it matters that much if at all whether he does or not. Nobody cared when other HOF coaches didn't win as much without their all world QB and the same will be true for Bill after he's finished.Let's not get into one of these discussions again....the GOAT head coach (our head coach) can win with talent, a lack of talent and no head coach will be successful, no matter how good he is...point taken with Brady's team when he wasn't there......please no more Bill vs Tom....we're on a 5 game winning streak in 1st place...let' s enjoy!!!
I agree. But Bill had the same rep and Brady flourished. I think it would have been a hand in glove fit.Coughlin would have been interesting. He's not everyone's cup of tea and for all that people say about BB I'd say that's even more true for Coughlin. Strahan despised the guy and he wasn't the only one. BB often goes over the top to keep his players grounded but Coughlin would call out his players with the best of them.
I don't know. I think it matters. I like to think Belichick is on par with a guy like Phil Jackson who won titles in Chicago and LA with a variation on the same offense, a similar culture and lots of great players. He doesn't have to win a SB, but another appearance or two in the AFCC with Mac Jones would do the trick. This team can get there if they keep their current play up.Oh yeah for sure. I don't think it matters that much if at all whether he does or not. Nobody cared when other HOF coaches didn't win as much without their all world QB and the same will be true for Bill after he's finished.